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How do u find chemical make up of prep

Mass spectrometry. And if you think prep is expensive... Plus the makeup is probably proprietary.

You may find some home brew recipes here, but the results are only as professional as those preparing the concoctions. And without knowing what you're doing, that's exactly what it is -- a mix of hopes, dreams, wasted money, and dangerous substances. Plus, now that you've willingly posted on here that you want to circumvent the established manufacturers, you may find them more reluctant to help you out... YMMV, but I'd rather spend my time on other racing areas, so I'd fork over for the prep, save the time and hassle, and work on something else. Or if you want to avoid the prep hassle, go race asphalt. It's a lot less cleaning too.
 
Ted Hamilton said:
Or if you want to avoid the prep hassle, go race asphalt. It's a lot less cleaning too.
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Huh ??
Also how do you figure it’s less cleaning ? I can wash 20 tires in my tire washer, before I can heat gun/scrape 4 on the asphalt karts. The karts still get dusty & grimy.
 
Kj26 said:
Huh ??
Also how do you figure it’s less cleaning ? I can wash 20 tires in my tire washer, before I can heat gun/scrape 4 on the asphalt karts. The karts still get dusty & grimy.
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Why are you scrapping your tires. Seems silly whe you can scrub them good on your warm up lap. Never had a problem with pickup either as I made an effort to not drive off line after the finish.
 
Maracing84 said:
Have one prep i like but its to dam expensive where do i send a sample to get the make up?
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So, let me get this right:
Someone (business perhaps) has spent gazillion hours testing to come up with a prep that works very well, come up with the formula that works best, purchasing in bulk, warehousing, overhead, the packaging, the labeling, the marketing, etc...
and you want their formula to make it yourself so that the person who came up with this prep that you like, cannot make a profit selling it to you?

Is that correct?
Anyone else see a problem with this line of thinking?

Thanks,
Brian Carlson
 
LMAO! I'm here for the comments... :)

I'm sure Randy Ransom would gladly fill this fella in on patents and other copyright info...
 
So, let me get this right:
Someone (business perhaps) has spent gazillion hours testing to come up with a prep that works very well, come up with the formula that works best, purchasing in bulk, warehousing, overhead, the packaging, the labeling, the marketing, etc...
and you want their formula to make it yourself so that the person who came up with this prep that you like, cannot make a profit selling it to you?

Is that correct?


yes, exactly

If someone wants to pay to have it tested and duplicated for personal use there's nothing wrong with it. It's the american way. If the person selling it has not patented it or done what ever to secure their product then it's wide open to copy and selling of the product. That's also the american way of business and capitalism.

For the safety of users ingredients should be on the label. If there not and it's a sold product not something someone makes for themselves, the prep should be banned from the track and the owner/user/maker of the prep should also be thrown out of the track.

What sort of person would sell mixed chemicals to others for close use and physical contact by adults and children without telling who they sold them to what's in it and the dangers of using the chemicals?

answer: A greedy person who doesn't give a crap about others so they can put a few nickels in their pocket.

YES, there's nothing at all wrong with the original poster wanting to know what's in the chemical concoction their sold and in free America there's nothing at all wrong with the original poster if they choose, to duplicate the product for their personal use.
 
the majority of preps are copies of each other.
a bunch of the preps on the market come from Randy ransom just different labels.
And a bunch of preps were around long before Randy was in te prep business, he didnt come in til somewhere around 2007-8
 
XXX#40 said:
the majority of preps are copies of each other.
a bunch of the preps on the market come from Randy ransom just different labels.
And a bunch of preps were around long before Randy was in te prep business, he didnt come in til somewhere around 2007-8
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Bullseye! And Randy/Tracktac has reverse engineered many of those older, successful preps and reproduced them or made them even better.
 
1fasttiller said:
Bullseye! And Randy/Tracktac has reverse engineered many of those older, successful preps and reproduced them or made them even better.
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Track Tac started in 2003. We have looked at many different items from the past but use very little of that chemistry in what we sell today. To be honest the only thing that we use that was on the market before us is Mineral Spirits. The closest thing we have to a pre existing product is AT-2 and HLO.

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XXX#40 said:
Not true, I know of one personally that isnt better, he took the good stuff out
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Im guessing you are referring to Soak 2. I may know where theres a drum full of it...
 
CH3Racing said:
Track Tac started in 2003. We have looked at many different items from the past but use very little of that chemistry in what we sell today. To be honest the only thing that we use that was on the market before us is Mineral Spirits. The closest thing we have to a pre existing product is AT-2 and HLO.

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Im guessing you are referring to Soak 2. I may know where theres a drum full of it...
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nope Venom was a better prep before Eric went to Randy, I still have 2 brand new gallons of the original Black,Green Blue and a gallon of Soak 2.
I got some of the new Blue and Black in a buy out and its very different
And my green says Venom juice original, not green
 
manyfunnies said:
Why are you scrapping your tires. Seems silly whe you can scrub them good on your warm up lap. Never had a problem with pickup either as I made an effort to not drive off line after the finish.
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Have you ever ran Yellow Vegas ? I don’t care if they stop the karts at the line, they build up a lot of excess rubber. Clean tire, happy tire, fast tire. Lots of wins and a handful of championships on asphalt, I’ll keep doing what I have been doing.
 
paulkish said:
yes, exactly

If someone wants to pay to have it tested and duplicated for personal use there's nothing wrong with it. It's the american way. If the person selling it has not patented it or done what ever to secure their product then it's wide open to copy and selling of the product. That's also the american way of business and capitalism.

For the safety of users ingredients should be on the label. If there not and it's a sold product not something someone makes for themselves, the prep should be banned from the track and the owner/user/maker of the prep should also be thrown out of the track.

What sort of person would sell mixed chemicals to others for close use and physical contact by adults and children without telling who they sold them to what's in it and the dangers of using the chemicals?

answer: A greedy person who doesn't give a crap about others so they can put a few nickels in their pocket.

YES, there's nothing at all wrong with the original poster wanting to know what's in the chemical concoction their sold and in free America there's nothing at all wrong with the original poster if they choose, to duplicate the product for their personal use.
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Actually, Paul, this is currently a bigger problem with the Chinese and some other foreign entities than it is here in the US.
This is more of a signature of Socialism/Marxism than it is of Capitalism.
Question for you, Paul: What is your definition of Capitalism?

There is also something know as intellectual property. A patent has some value, sure, but even a slight change in color, chemical percentages, blending process, etc, will get around a patent all too easily. Whether a person has honesty and integrity or not, the contents of a product that he is selling is NOT public information. Now, the MSDS sheet certainly would be, but even an MSDS won't tell you enough to duplicate a product.
Randy @ ATTL probably does a better job than any one of us at protecting his investment.

Paul, I am glad you confirmed for me what the OP was suggesting.
You feel entitled, and thankfully you are free to feel that way in the United States. :)
 
IF, notice big IF, you fall into the distribution level of karting where you're concerned about making money and trying to make as much or spend as less as possible then by all means make something yourself. How you go about that goes a long way with quality, safety, repeatability, consistency, and on and on, as well as all of the other "stuff" Mr. Carlson has mentioned above. Some people don't care about the other "stuff" and thats just a part of life, whether it be right or wrong. Personally, I sell a good bit of tire chemical in a given year and I don't mind paying what Earl (southern comfort) or Matt (palmetto speed shop) charge me. They have spent time, money, and whatever else you can think of to make sure that what you end up getting works, period. Same with track tac, Carlson, Mullis, Knopf, Cash, Disco, Leblanc, and anyone else who does this for a living. You're not just paying for the chemicals, the bottling, and the sticker. You're paying for the experience and everything beyond the actual chemical that plays a much larger part in being successful than the chemicals do.

Just my two cents.

Cole
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