Box Stock

196vs212

Well for starters...16cc's. Also, from what I'm gathering, most parts are not interchangeable. If your racing with rules/classes, they won't run together.
 
I think the 196 started out as a 196 HF , then the clones were every where over night ,great little engines to. The real Clone is actually a Honda GX200 made and produced by Honda, the China made Clones are now what we know has a Clone of that engine ! Other than that about 16 cc's. lol :)
 
I've never seen anything but pictures of a predator engine. As I understand it you can put a clone head on the new style predator. With a clone head on it is there a big difference in the outside appearance......can it pass for a box stock clone if you don't take a close look at it.
 
The new 212 hemi predator short block (60363) looks the same as a 196 on the outside. Side covers, cams and tinwork interchanges. With an easy head swap to a standard 196 head this could easily pass for a 196 but have more cc's and compression. This is something BSP tech should be looking for and a fun engine to build a no rules hot rod.
 
older n dirt said:
I think the 196 started out as a 196 HF , then the clones were every where over night ,great little engines to. The real Clone is actually a Honda GX200 made and produced by Honda, the China made Clones are now what we know has a Clone of that engine ! Other than that about 16 cc's. lol :)
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The Honda GX line is the original, then the copies of this design became the clones and Lifan was one of the earliest, if not the first.
 
I am not sure why some say they wont run together, the Champion 196cc engine produces more power than the Predator 212cc. Not all 196cc engines are created the same.
 
gamecock said:
I am not sure why some say they wont run together, the Champion 196cc engine produces more power than the Predator 212cc. Not all 196cc engines are created the same.
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It's not that they won't keep up, at our track, Predators are not allowed in the Clone class.
 
older n dirt said:
I think the 196 started out as a 196 HF , then the clones were every where over night ,great little engines to. The real Clone is actually a Honda GX200 made and produced by Honda, the China made Clones are now what we know has a Clone of that engine ! Other than that about 16 cc's. lol :)
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This ole fossil is correct...Honda was copying Briggs for the utility replacement market . The China version is a clone of a clone...lol
 
We (NFRA) are attempting too run both (196 / 212) engines together by having a weight handicap applied to the '212' package...ie: 30 to 40lbs, maybe! The plus(+) side is that the heavier guys cud use the 212 Predator as their engine foundation and could/would lead too a better 'field' rather than (2) smaller fields.....assuming your track runs a 'Sumo' class as well.
 
I am certain the OHV Honda preceded the Briggs OHV.

Honda GX140 1983

Briggs claim thier first OHV was 1920 but I don't think Honda cloned that one
Briggs V Twin Vanguard OHV 1987
Partnered with Mitsubishi MH1 Vanguard OHV 1991
Briggs model 28 1992
 
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As a former outdoor power equipment dealer with 40 plus years of experience i can say with absolute confidence Honda was first on the Bus.
DW
 
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