another random thought about tire compounds and preps

penny for my thoughts but since were all tire doping and mixing this and that.. why wouldn't a tire manufacturer pre mix these preps with there tire compounds to make an "out the box" fast tire. would anyone care to throw in their 2 cents?
 

viice

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Keep prepping the way that it is...
All off the shelf tires that use "no prep" are fast at one point in their life and not so fast in another point in their life...

For example... Treaded tires are better when they're worn down so the tread blocks move around less... Not just for oval racing but that used to be what people did with the Toyo RA-1's when they were the spec tire for Spec Miata.... Brand new RA-1's with 3/4 of the rubber just thrown away...

Prep is a wild game, but it gives otherwise old tires some life... at any point in application.

Guy in IA won a race out of 30 karts on 6 year old tires...

All that being said... Maxxis, Vega, Hoosier, Burris, whoever.... They have the technology to make an out of the box fast tire. But there are too many trade offs to do so.

Wait another few years and the tire formula will change again... Someone will come out with some super fast compound or that lasts longer than everybody else... and that will be the hot new ticket.
 
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XXX#40

2A supporter
Wait another few years and the tire formula will change again... Someone will come out with some super fast compound that lasts longer than everybody else... and that will be the hot new ticket.
We race in Burris country, natural rubber is natural rubber.
They have a tire that lasts forever, the EL
 
We race in Burris country, natural rubber is natural rubber.
They have a tire that lasts forever, the EL


Couldn't be more wrong about that.
Natural rubber is becoming more and more expensive (especially with so many South American countries in termoil) and is being slowly replaced with more and more synthetic rubber (ie plastic) because of it's lower cost.
Natural rubber is certainly not natural rubber - Where it comes from, how it is pulled, worked, stored, etc etc. can be a big factor in how it works as well.

As far as the EL -- it may last forever, but it's certainly not fast forever.


The tire companies are constantly working on different blends (recipes) for their compounds for grip, softness, durability, etc.
In an open tire world, these companies would compete primarily based on performance of their tires. When it comes to spec tire rules, the emphasis on performance dwindles considerably. There is no motivation to make a "faster" tire since everyone will be using the same brand anyways. Instead the emphasis leans toward economy (profitability and sustainability.) They have to consider how much the tire company will save by producing 1 "ok" tire in larger quantities and then give back to the series/tracks and still maintain a reasonable profit.

Yes, the tire companies can produce tires that will be faster, but it's become a much better business decision to buy the loyalty of tracks and series to mandate the use of their company's products over getting into an R&D spending frenzy to produce a faster tire than their competition.
This isn't exclusive to karting by any means - we see it across all levels of motorsports.
Oh yea, and the working and prepping of tires exists elsewhere outside of karting too.


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?Thanks and God bless,
Brian Carlson
Carlson Racing Engines
Vector Cutz
www.CarlsonMotorsports.com
Carlson Motorsports on Facebook
30 years of service to the karting industry
Linden, IN
765-339-4407
bcarlson@CarlsonMotorsports.com


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?Thanks and God bless,
Brian Carlson
Carlson Racing Engines
Vector Cutz
www.CarlsonMotorsports.com
Carlson Motorsports on Facebook
30 years of service to the karting industry
Linden, IN
765-339-4407
bcarlson@CarlsonMotorsports.com
 

XXX#40

2A supporter
Couldn't be more wrong about that.
Natural rubber is becoming more and more expensive (especially with so many South American countries in termoil) and is being slowly replaced with more and more synthetic rubber (ie plastic) because of it's lower cost.
Natural rubber is certainly not natural rubber - Where it comes from, how it is pulled, worked, stored, etc etc. can be a big factor in how it works as well.

As far as the EL -- it may last forever, but it's certainly not fast forever.


The tire companies are constantly working on different blends (recipes) for their compounds for grip, softness, durability, etc.
In an open tire world, these companies would compete primarily based on performance of their tires. When it comes to spec tire rules, the emphasis on performance dwindles considerably. There is no motivation to make a "faster" tire since everyone will be using the same brand anyways. Instead the emphasis leans toward economy (profitability and sustainability.) They have to consider how much the tire company will save by producing 1 "ok" tire in larger quantities and then give back to the series/tracks and still maintain a reasonable profit.

Yes, the tire companies can produce tires that will be faster, but it's become a much better business decision to buy the loyalty of tracks and series to mandate the use of their company's products over getting into an R&D spending frenzy to produce a faster tire than their competition.
This isn't exclusive to karting by any means - we see it across all levels of motorsports.
Oh yea, and the working and prepping of tires exists elsewhere outside of karting too.


-----
?Thanks and God bless,
Brian Carlson
Carlson Racing Engines
Vector Cutz
www.CarlsonMotorsports.com
Carlson Motorsports on Facebook
30 years of service to the karting industry
Linden, IN
765-339-4407
bcarlson@CarlsonMotorsports.com


-----
?Thanks and God bless,
Brian Carlson
Carlson Racing Engines
Vector Cutz
www.CarlsonMotorsports.com
Carlson Motorsports on Facebook
30 years of service to the karting industry
Linden, IN
765-339-4407
bcarlson@CarlsonMotorsports.com
Natural rubber is natural rubber and if story.
You add something to it, it's not natural rubber anymore, so go argue with a tree
 
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