"Darn-Nice" move Jody....THANKS !!!8 degrees ending up with 32 degrees BTDC with a stock key. The previous models were at 24 degrees BTDC. We changed the timing to help the DIY builders that didn't have the proper equipment to check timing or just didnt know how. Also some people run 38 to 40 degrees timing on plate engines and couldn't reach that "using a key" with the other model. Now you can achieve 44 degrees advance with a 12 deg key or retard it back to 20 degrees by turning the 12 deg key backwards.