Just personally watched the majority of every deuce get their butts handed to them at the Midwest maxxis race in Wakeeney, Ks. Was also in a pit where they tried everything under the sun to get them to work, high cross, low cross, low left, moved the seat higher to aid transfer, everything under the sun including popping a couple welds to get the chassis to flex more. Needless to say I think there will be a lot of them for sale at the end of the year if not sooner, and that's why you don't see the big names on them. I've got a recon now, but am looking outside the phantom line for next year unfortunately.