Im a little torn

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Komet99

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Decisions decisions.
Option 1 I have about a 2000 model Shadow that I run stock predator with. I recently took off the predator to put on my reedjet to run some outlaw stuff. Do I run it with flat bodywork or some wedge stuff?? This kart is not mine but I can do what I need to, to make it fast.

Option 2. I have this 2000 model straight rail kart that I dirt raced years ago and did pretty good with it. Moved over to enduro and won quite a bit. Now I m considerin taking it dirt racing again. I would put a wedge on this one like I had years ago.

Ive recently sold all of my enduro stuff so thats done with.

What to do????
 
Thats the obvious! But for the amount DONT want to spend. Id rather just keep old stuff and just go have fun with it. I dont care to have 10 sets of tires and 5 gallond of prep.

On a side note, I sold the ole straight rail CIK kart today, so i'll be workin on the shadow!!

As far as "modern" is 10 yrs too old?
 
It's all about having fun. A modern chassis would help. In my eyes any chassis 2011 or newer can be competitive on the local circuit. With that being said i would do your due diligence on the make and model as some chassis still have decent support some have none. Now if you plan to race nationally that is a whole different ball game.
 
Im not a fan of Ultramax. If I were to buy new it would be Phantom or CKI. There are many others that I would consider in the 10 yr old range. Problem is, I only care to spend about 1k on a roller. Preferrably with a wedge for outlaw racing
 
Hoppy said:
The 3rd place Kart at the Grand Nationals this year was a 15 year old Shadow...just sayn!
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man having the newest kart isnt the fastest.thats just sales bs and people who have more money than brains,or dont mind maxing out credit cards and ruining their credit.
Its all about setting it up and keeping it working.marketing strategys fool alot of people into buying stuff they dont need.ya can race anytrack w 2-preps,a 1995 chassis a strong motor and a great setup.its just physics dirt only grips so much and you only have so much tire and limited power,same way with alot of horsepower you only have so much tire that grips once you pass that threshold of grip thats it.its either burning the rear tires,over shooting your groove and spinning out of control.🤷🏻‍♂️theres no magic bends in round tubing that will gain a second and a half on the fastest competition.
 
Having PROVEN OUTDATED equipment is a good way to handicap yourself. BUT..... I'm convinced that most modern chassis have a good .5 sec. left on the table because modern racers DO NO TESTING. Let me say that again -- BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING THE TIME TO DIAL IN THEIR CHASSIS TO THEIR DRIVING AND BUILDING A DATABASE OF HOW THE CHASSIS RESPONDS TO A VARIETY OF TRACK CONDITIONS, THEY'RE LEAVING SPEED ON THE TABLE. So, it's my feeling that an experienced driver with a chassis they've taken the time to learn is faster than a "NEW" chassis without optimization. That said, UAS is a pretty high bar, so you're likely to run up against people who know what they're doing AND take the time to test... The story of the Deuce is probably a good example. I think the manufacturer ultimately concluded that while that chassis was indeed faster on the stopwatch, it was only faster for the select few who took the time to find the speed, and because the tuning window for that speed was much narrower than the previous generation of chassis, the manufacturer reverted to a wider window instead of ultimate speed because the "average racer" was faster WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING on the "old style" chassis. Racing is a consuming sport. Whomever spends the most time, money, mental effort, and commitment is likely to win. Why handicap yourself from the start? I was happy to when I wasn't serious about winning. But now that I'm re-ignited in my passion to win (on asphalt sprint) I have NEW equipment, and a NEW motor. Make sure YOU are the slowest part of the equation, because that's the easiest, and perhaps cheapest, thing to fix.
 
Ted,
You are completely correct, the easiest, sometimes the hardest thing to figure out is the driver.
I know we're on a 11 year old chassis, running a 100cc reed motor on dirt. I've had a hard time getting my son to trust my setup,and his throttle control.
I must say that in the past season we've picked up almost 2 seconds with just seat time, and him building confidence, basically stop over thinking things.
Yes, new chassis's are nice, but what I've noticed, especially with Uas , some preference is an old chassis, because of the lower cross weight required. Jmo
 
Ted Hamilton said:
Having PROVEN OUTDATED equipment is a good way to handicap yourself. BUT..... I'm convinced that most modern chassis have a good .5 sec. left on the table because modern racers DO NO TESTING. Let me say that again -- BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T SPENDING THE TIME TO DIAL IN THEIR CHASSIS TO THEIR DRIVING AND BUILDING A DATABASE OF HOW THE CHASSIS RESPONDS TO A VARIETY OF TRACK CONDITIONS, THEY'RE LEAVING SPEED ON THE TABLE. So, it's my feeling that an experienced driver with a chassis they've taken the time to learn is faster than a "NEW" chassis without optimization. That said, UAS is a pretty high bar, so you're likely to run up against people who know what they're doing AND take the time to test... The story of the Deuce is probably a good example. I think the manufacturer ultimately concluded that while that chassis was indeed faster on the stopwatch, it was only faster for the select few who took the time to find the speed, and because the tuning window for that speed was much narrower than the previous generation of chassis, the manufacturer reverted to a wider window instead of ultimate speed because the "average racer" was faster WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING on the "old style" chassis. Racing is a consuming sport. Whomever spends the most time, money, mental effort, and commitment is likely to win. Why handicap yourself from the start? I was happy to when I wasn't serious about winning. But now that I'm re-ignited in my passion to win (on asphalt sprint) I have NEW equipment, and a NEW motor. Make sure YOU are the slowest part of the equation, because that's the easiest, and perhaps cheapest, thing to fix.
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Certainly Old vs New is going to be far more obvious in Asphalt Sprint racing. UAS/RWYB not so much.
 
Funny, cause I never said buy the newest thing on the market. Which is what most seem to think when I said Modern. There is absolutely more speed potential in newer chassis, there is no question. In the right hands, a lot of chassis can win. That's an old tired horse, no sense in beating it more. But, 2000 vs something in the last decade. There is absolutely no doubt more speed potential there. Now whether you have the ability to get the potential out of it is up to you. If you're content with what you have and the competition in your area isn't some of the best in the country then by all means do what makes you happy. Competition is relative, and I don't know how fast you want to go.
 
Dont forget I posted about a 25 yr old chassis...not 15. There are some very valid points discussed ans I think You all have convinced my mind to stay with what I have. For the central texas racers, there are a few fast guys that have an ultimate program. Im retired from that ultimate program now. I think I'll stick with my little 100cc Reedjet on my 25 yr old kart and go make some laps!!
 
Chris Cooper said:
No more road racing
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I sold everything. Unless I get a ride from Jamey once in a while. Even with that, I dont see me being fast. I have to accept the fact that the amount I want to race wont allow me to be fast. I do still have the sprint enduro tho and it could be fast...but I have to keep telling myself Im done with it.

The only thing I own is the sprint enduro and a reedjet. I know...it pains me.
 
For some reason, Houston is not a big 2 cycle area. The ones who are, have been for 30 yrs, or sprint race. Any newbies spend their pay checks on fart knockers!!
Its just a following. no new creations....lets do what everyone else is doing!
 
Sharlan25 said:
got to ask, wht is a fart knocker. lol
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Years and years ago, I went to a friends first enduro race. His parents were there and we jumped in their van to go look at the back side of the track. About the time we stopped, some 4 strokes went by. Back then all there was were Briggs flatheads. My friends dad leaned up, straightened his back, as tall as he could sit and said "They let fart knockers out here?"

4 strokes have been fart knockers ever since.
 
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