Responding to the latest CL4/Billet Rod rules

Mark @ EC

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It seems karting hasn't been that interesting, so the pots have been stirred. A lot has been posted about the rule changes and the leadership from AKRA, so rather than getting lost in the many redundant threads, I started a new one.

Weeks ago, AKRA announced they were not changing their rule book. I view this as a marketing tactic to show stability within the program, and they are very proud to make that announcement. That's until the news that NKA decided to allow porting, and everything within AKRA started to unravel.

Don starts the thread with the "rumor" of the change and all the cost of making those changes, which comes across as fearmongering because if there is anything racers don't like to hear, it's how a rule change is getting into their wallets. However, some expressed support for the billet rod, and some claimed there are AKRA engines running the CL-4, and rod failure is not a big issue.

There are two experiences with the stock connecting rods: those with a lot of rod failure and those without. AKRA is addressing the allowance of the billet rod as a racer or engine builder's choice. Some claim the cast rod will still have an advantage since it weighs less, which contradicts the fearmongering posts about rod failures being a non-negotiable consequence of allowing the CL4. It's not like EC and ARC can't make a lighter billet rod for the stock classes. We will have rods made soon after the rules are published, and I'm sure ARC will, too.

AKRA vs. NKA
Many things are said about how we can get on the same page and make the rules the same. I'm going to explain why they more than likely will never happen.

First, they are competitors. I believe someone mentioned this in one of the posts, which is a fact. As it was said, some places have started using the CL-4 in their AKRA engines illegally but are getting away with it.. or maybe not. Most tracks allow you to claim both engines, and it's easy to get mixed up when tech has multiple engines in multiple classes all night long. NKA's move is to allow something AKRA did years ago, which should be good news as it would make the engine rules closer to the same. Now, at least, the AKRA would be legal in NKA, even if NKA is not legal in AKRA. Some would argue, including AKRA, that the differences in camshafts aren't going to make a difference, which would have meant more people would build ARKA engines than NKA engines because it's legal for both, kinda like IKF and WKA with the flatheads.

Rather than just allowing the camshaft, AKRA is going to allow the billet rod, so everyone will have a billet rod in their engine. The scapegoat is the racer or engine builder's desire to use a billet rod. In other words, we gave you what you want at your own expense, so don't blame us. But the truth is it gives AKRA the perceived advantage. Therefore, that's what is going to be built.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot, especially if they adopt the retainer weight or other rules from NKA. NKA will be legal for AKRA, but AKRA won't be legal for NKA. More NKA engines will be built if the engine builders and racers stick with the cast rod. It's a catch 22.

Secondly, the rules can be viewed as intellectual property. I'm not sure about the specifics of how the laws are written and are clear, and I'm not sure the organization fully understands them, but the threat of a possible lawsuit prevents the rules from being the same.

Box Stock Project tried a similar tactic when we first advertised the Tillotson 196R as the Tillotson 196 box stock engine. Box Stock Project sent us a threatening email because we used the term box stock. They claimed they had copyright protection and wanted us to pay to have the AKRA reprinted and remove box stock from our advertising. We ignored it at first, but when they were persistent about it, we asked for their Copyright ID, which made it clear they don't have a claim over box stock and that it must be a box stock project since box stock is a commonly used term and it must have all three words to be protected. We explained and told them to stop harassing us. Bill at ARKA was carbon copied in those emails.

Whether the organization have legal grounds or not its not going to stop them from threating it and its not a risk either one is willing to take. These organizations sell insurance, and more track using their rules should be using their insurance, so if other organizations start using their rules to sell their insurance, it could be a possible legal problem.


AKRA's Leadership and (Irr)responsibility
Before Don at AKRA decided to allow the CL-4 cams and billet rods, he posted a preemptive defensive thread about himself and AKRA because he was already getting beat up over his thread on the rumor of NKA allowing porting and if AKRA allowed it would force them into allowing a billet rod. It almost makes it seem like this was the strategy if NKA ever allowed porting.

I think the post did more harm than good for those who take the time to read it.

Don claims that AKRA was the leader in making changes to the rules that would be "necessary" to keep a fair playing field, only for the other organization to make the same rule change. It sounds like AKRA keeps moving the goalpost the moment everyone tries to get on the same page.

For example, AKRA allowed porting first, and if you go back to read what was being said, some don't believe there would be much, if any, difference that would impact performance or the outcome of a race. You can argue it was an unnecessary rule change that cost the racer more money. Allegedly, the JT-158 head was a stealth-ported head sent to be made at the factory. Later, when we made the Tillotson JT-207, the head was equal to or slightly better but ultimately more consistent. Again, going back to this forum, many people suggested going to a spec head. Don's response was it was looked into and would cost 20k to do so, but that didn't stop Dynocams from making the JT-158, EC from making the JT-207, or Gage/Stout from making a spec head specifically for AKRA, which isn't even legal for this class. Today, the JT-158 and the Tillotson's head are the preferred heads. Had they not made the porting rules, you would be spending less for those heads today.

It's not the only rule change they allowed that cost the racer money. If AKRA will boast about being the leader and originator of the rules, they have to be responsible for the costly changes, too. Most of the changes were to make the engines faster so that blueprinting would make a greater difference between a stock engine and a blueprinted engine.

Exhaust Head—If you want to kill the power and rpm of these engines, spec a small-diameter pipe. The rule was changed because it didn't sound good. For those who don't like the short weenie pipes, you would take the current big headers with a smaller inside diameter.

Valve Springs—Not a single factory spring is used in these engines. The spring was designed so a camshaft could be made to make more power and for the engines to turn more rpms.

Camshafts - Camshafts have been further developing as the rules have changed.

Lightweight Retainers and Lifters—Every single retainer and lifter is machined and not comparable to known stock parts, which start with BSP bringing them in that way and claiming they were factory pieces. Again, this allows the engines to turn more rpms. If it were not for this rule, we probably wouldn't have a CL-4 camshaft. If NKA is copying AKRA, then AKRA is to blame.

Billet Rod—Nothing stops ARC or us from making a rod to spec for this class. Engine builders say it's a no-brainer to go with a billet rod, especially if it weighs the same as the cast rod.

These problems resulted from AKRA, as the leader of clone rules, not standing their ground and using a more formal approval process. Importers are not required to submit new versions of parts. For example, the rule on the head is it must be a JT head. As Don said, the early rules left grey areas that could be exploited, which is why the TG-1 is the only other head allowed. EC, Speed Karts, and Dynocams sought a better clone head. The problem wasn't that the head made less power. It was less reliable. But that hasn't stopped us or the other importers from trying to find any advantage we can. The rule organization knows this is how the game is played, and it could have been a lot easier to fix had they made each importer submit their engines and parts when a noticeable change was made, particularly to the cylinder heads and carburetors, which are identifiable by numbers or letters. The same is true for lightweight lifters and retainers, which are measurable and can be checked against known stock parts.

Regardless of what "cheating" took place in the beginning, the engines are faster today than they were when the clone started and would have remained that way if key parts of the rules hadn't changed.

Tillotson Block and PK-1B Carburetor.
We are the only ones that had to submit our parts for approval. We had to do this because Tillotson put their logo on the parts. If we had designed the JT-207 without a logo and the PK-1B as a Ruixing carburetor, then those parts would have entered the competition none the wiser.

That didn't stop rumors about the PK-1B after it was approved and in the rulebook. Rumors were spread that we had "special" carburetor bodies made, and we're selling them to specific builders to give them advantages. If we were going to that trouble, we wouldn't have made it a Tillotson but a Ruixing because Tillotson only had two models that could be checked against. The Ruixing has numberless versions, which would have been impossible to check. Just so everyone knows, it's not off the table because "it came from the factory that way."

The truth is these carburetors were not manufactured until the rulebook was published, and it takes much longer for a rulebook to be printed than it does to publish them digitally online. We had over 2000 PK-1B carburetors manufactured, but it took about six months to build because these are not your mass-produced carburetors built on an assembly line for power equipment engines. Since we missed most of the year, we air-shipped only one or two cases, limiting how many we could sell to each engine builder who wanted them. The rest were to be sea freight and would arrive at the start of the next year.

At that time, AKRA told us the carburetor would not be legal for the next year because of these rumors. So, my Dad met with Bill and Don to talk about it. They agreed to allow the carburetor to be legal until September or when they had tech tools made(costing the tech man money and more time in the tech barn), and we were going to make a revised version of the PK-1C. That fell apart very quickly. Don told people the carburetor wouldn't be legal because there was no supply. I called him out on it when he said it on Facebook, and he told me that's not true and for him to put in the order himself. We also had racers telling us he wasn't allowing the carburetor in his area after we sold the carburetors to those racers. So, he LIED to us, and we decided not to go through the BS again and didn't make a new carburetor.

In the meantime, NKA picked up the Tillotson 196R and had Tillotson make the 196RS, which included the PK-1B and the new Tillotson block. Technically, these parts are still legal as the Tillotson 196R/RS are in the NKA rule book as legal engines. However, the rules are not clear, so tracks have to make their own interpretation and enforcement of those rules.

Interestingly, the first two responses to the CL-4 and Billet rod approval were to legalize the Tillotson block. The block was deemed an unfair advantage that would cost the racers money. If that's not the kettle calling the pot black, I don't know what it is. Even Don had to say there was no advantage with the Tillotson block, which is unsurprising for someone who lies habitually. In Don's rant about loyalty, you see his loyalty is to AKRA, Box Stock Project, and Dover Power, and he is protecting their businesses by not allowing Tillotson Products in the class.

The organizations like to tell you they have the best interest of the racers, so I tried a little democracy, taking the conversation to the racers so they can participate and voice their opinion. The conversation gets high jacked by Dave Klaus, the former Briggs Motorsports Director when he was still working as director. They say an enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dave made the case that the Tillotson block would be obsolete compared to the other clone blocks and that they would improve performance and ring seal without data or evidence. The truth is Briggs doesn't want Tillotson in the karting market because the clone pushed Briggs out of the dirt market. We had been working on an engine that would enter the 4-cycle sprint market, and anything Briggs could do to prevent that, they would. For AKRA, that gave them a reason not to allow the Tillotson block, except Don now says there is no advantage, which means it's only prejudice.

Understandably, there was resistance from the other importers since Tillotson could take over the market because not much was done to prevent unfair advantages, head of the month, cherry-picking, and inconsistency. We worked with Tillotson with the goal of putting an end to the unnecessary rule changes without creating a new class. The Tillotson could slowly integrate so karting could return to a single manufacturer class like the Briggs, Yamaha, Mac, and all the other successful eras of karting.

The block would have been strong enough to be used in Stock Appearing, Super Stock, Limited Modifieds, and Open Modified classes and be strong enough to run both sprint and dirt oval, which means the block was just a $100 throwaway block but a block that could have been reused and repurposed. Clone blocks are being thrown away in the box stock class. If the billet rod is a rule change to protect the racer's investment, what excuse is there to not have the Tillotson block legal? It's to protect the other importers. The Tillotson 196 could have been the engine that unified all of the 4-cycle karting for the dirt and sprint. We're always thinking bigger.

Tillotson was prepared to and did begin offering their products to the other importers. However, it was clear from their rejection and prevention that they didn't want Tillotson in the market. Now, they've missed out on all our improvements to karting in the modified classes and aftermarket. The irony was allowing the billet rod when we're the only importer making billet rods. As much as I like the idea, this will put more people in the rod business. The clone rods have already been knocked off in China, and it will only be a matter of time before the other importers have their brand of inexpensive billet rods. AKRA is not only killing karting but may also kill off ARC by putting more companies in business to make their most popular rods. After all, why stop with one rod?

Why Not Briggs LO206?
Many people believe it's time to switch to Briggs because the rule changes have gotten out of hand. Briggs has a stable structure because it makes the sole engine and the sole rulebook.

I don't believe the LO206 as an engine is the answer, but the structure of their class is. I believe in the next few years, you'll see the other importers move to their own engines and rules to avoid the problems with AKRA, NKA, and WKA. They will use the latest rule changes as an opportunity to create their own class which the Ducar 212 has done since it was first imported.

Briggs has had too many supply change issues and can barely keep up with the growth of their sprint market. Many years ago, Dave told us they don't care about the dirt market, and today, it wouldn't be a good choice to weaken their supply chains to take the risk against the clone on the dirt. Tillotson's 4-cycle sprint class is growing, and if Briggs falters, it will open the door for Tillotson to become a more prominent engine on the sprint. An investment group, KSP Captial Partners, also owns Briggs. Briggs Motorsports could be liquidated at any time if it doesn't seem profitable to keep or if it's more profitable to sell. It's unstable from the business side of things.


Karting for the Future
The future of karting will more than likely be a spec clone of some kind that is like the LO206 with a single manufacturer and single rule set. The low cost and popularity will always give it an advantage over the Briggs Animal/LO206; Briggs uses a clone on its power equipment. Tillotson has shown that it can hold its own. By showing that it is possible and that the overall acceptance has been positive, the other importers are more willing to take the risk of making their own engines. It will also be the only way 4-cycle karting continues.

I don't mean it with any malice, but most of those running AKRA are in their twilight years. As Don said, many were trying to take techs away from AKRA after Bill passed assuming it would disappear. Van Gilder didn't keep it going for the dirt; it kept going and was renamed for Road Racing.

Keeping AKRA alive is vanity. If something happens to Don, who keeps AKRA dirt racing going? If Don really cares, then he will quit continuing the strife between the two major rule organizations and join NKA so he can use his remaining years to establish NKA at his tracks, train techs and put karting under one rule set and one organization. So when he gets too old or passes, AKRA falls apart and moves on to NKA or WKA anyways but with a heavier load to bear.

I can go on and on but that's my .02.
 
You didn’t have all your facts straight about me in the above post. Also I am working on aligning with NKA for the future of karting. You are behind the times on your reading. By the way, many of the readers know you and I don’t see eye to eye on things and that you have hammered on me before so I have thick skin
 
Haha, that skin isn't that thick, only your head. Allowing only the ARC rod after my post proves your favoritism and reinforces my point. I wonder how much favoritism you express in the tech barn? I think the facts are clear, Don. You are power-tripping and in a position to favor particular people and businesses. I've made the same accusations before, and they have yet to be proven wrong. Honestly, it makes no difference if my rods are allowed; ARC would have gotten most of the business anyway. I just wanted to prove to everyone you are corrupt, and you fell for the trap.

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I took that out of my post until I talk to Van at AKRA. He told me it was ok to let it in there because ARC already presented their rod for approval. By the way, name calling is really immature. Also mentioning a dead man’s name in your post shows your real character and personality. Anyone reading your post can see your anger and hate for AKRA. Oh by the way, what have you ever done for AKRA or NKA ?
 
That is wild for an organization to specify only one brand will be legal for use (in this case only ARC). This part could easily be spec'd with dimensions and weight. Im not sure what your reasoning is Don, I hope it isnt petty or conflict of interest but I think that is a big no-no.
 
Did you not read my above post? AKRA has a rule that all parts new to the sport must be presented for approval. ARC is the only one who had presented their rod for approval.
 
Did you not read my above post? AKRA has a rule that all parts new to the sport must be presented for approval. ARC is the only one who had presented their rod for approval.
I read your above post, but I also read the post you presented before that and the way it reads:

"Those of you who are going to use it can only use the ARC connecting rod. ARC has no idea that I am going to make them the choice of connecting rods..."

I do not interpret, nor do I think it reads as, "ARC is the only supplier/manufacturer to meet our specs for approval."
 
You lied again! It literally says, and I quote, "Those of you who are going to use it can only use the ARC connecting rod. ARC has no idea that I am making them the choice of connecting Rods, so don’t start pointing the finger."

If AKRA is open for submission, how can ARC submit a rod for which you haven't posted the specs or approval requirements?

I didn't say anything to dishonor Bill, but if you see it that way, it's no surprise. I'm pretty secure; I'm not worried about my character.

Yeah, I hate that you guys lie and don't keep your word, and you're running the sport into a ditch. Do you really not think things through? You guys won't allow us to participate in the class; why should I help ARKA or NKA? There is nothing our talents can do when the answer is no. However, we made lemonade out of lemons. Go look at what the Tillotson brand has become due to our designs. Go look at how much innovation was added to the clone due to what we did. Look at how much we improved the stock-appearing classes and the modified classes. We've made the 14.5ci class almost as affordable as the most expensive 196cc clone. Now, with our limited 212 class, it's probably more affordable.

We've done a lot. So my question is what innovations have you made to help the sport of karting?
 
I don’t disagree what you posted as to what I said. You must have some kind of program that you track my every post or something. Here is how it went down. I made the post you presented. I then left that post and began reading your junk. When I read you were considering making a rod I immediately went back to the por boy post and did an edit. Why? Because I didn’t know if you were going to supply a rod or not. I then called AKRA and ask them if you had submitted a rod for approval. I won’t tell the public what I learned but you. I was told that I could have let the post as it was because you had not submitted anything. You posted within seconds of what I printed. Before I could go back in and edit. This is enough of this drama that you have created. It is obvious you hate AKRA and myself because you didn’t get your way with things in the past so you air your dirty laundry here on Bob’s. I am not going to respond to you any more. I have enough on my plate as it is without dealing with this childish nonsense. Once again you have demonstrated to the reading public your personality.
 
You lied again! It literally says, and I quote, "Those of you who are going to use it can only use the ARC connecting rod. ARC has no idea that I am making them the choice of connecting Rods, so don’t start pointing the finger."

If AKRA is open for submission, how can ARC submit a rod for which you haven't posted the specs or approval requirements?

I didn't say anything to dishonor Bill, but if you see it that way, it's no surprise. I'm pretty secure; I'm not worried about my character.

Yeah, I hate that you guys lie and don't keep your word, and you're running the sport into a ditch. Do you really not think things through? You guys won't allow us to participate in the class; why should I help ARKA or NKA? There is nothing our talents can do when the answer is no. However, we made lemonade out of lemons. Go look at what the Tillotson brand has become due to our designs. Go look at how much innovation was added to the clone due to what we did. Look at how much we improved the stock-appearing classes and the modified classes. We've made the 14.5ci class almost as affordable as the most expensive 196cc clone. Now, with our limited 212 class, it's probably more affordable.

We've done a lot. So my question is what innovations have you made to help the sport of karting?
Here is my issue with AKRA. Several years back a customer brought me a 196rs engine to build into a stocker. I was impressed with it. Then a few people told me the block was illegal. I contacted Don directly and asked about it. I was told in no uncertain terms, that the block that came with the 196r clone engine was approved but not the "big bore" block (exact words was the 196cc and not the big bore block). I bought 10 complete engines in one batch and 5 more a week later. Well, guess what? Yea, I was told wrong. Turns out they were not legal to run. Then, many tracks an series near me also followed AKRA's lead and outlawed them for a few years until suddenly they are ok to run again at NKA, and WKA tracks series and events. It took me 3 years to use them all, and that only happened after the dust settled and I could start building them again for NKA and WKA rules tracks. The really sad part about this is that the Tillotson block in all likelihood would benefit the average Saturday night racer in the long run. Things like a thicker sleeve, stiffer casting, extra thread engagement for the head bolt next to the exhaust port, side cover bolts that stay tight longer, somewhat better cooling, less piston and bore scuffing, and quite possibly better head gasket retention and longer engine life would all benefit the average racer. This is not and never was about helping the small guy. The engines I build with the tilly block just last longer. And the tilly blocks (in my experience) seem to me like they magically break less rods and cranks and the pistons and bores always look better at rebuild time. It is really unfortunate that the complete 196r is no longer available. Now I have to buy just the blocks to build one. The parts in kit form would be nice (block, side cover, head, crank, sheet metal, blower housing, pull starter, ect. Hell just throw it all in a box like Briggs did with the flathead for years after production stopped. But really, the days of buying a complete engine and building it a kinda over. Thinking of the parts in a complete engine that now may not get used anyway during a build looks like this... Carb (sometimes), Lifters, cam, connecting rod, push rods (maybe), flywheel, valve springs, valve retainers, piston rings, rocker arms (maybe), and so on. The last few we built consisted of the tilly block/side cover.
 
Too bad the Karting Industry Council isn't around anymore....you know, somewhere major players could roundtable, air things privately, and resolve on common decisions for the good of the sport... All a pissing match results in is soggy shoes and mess for someone else to clean up...
 
I don’t disagree what you posted as to what I said. You must have some kind of program that you track my every post or something. Here is how it went down. I made the post you presented. I then left that post and began reading your junk. When I read you were considering making a rod I immediately went back to the por boy post and did an edit. Why? Because I didn’t know if you were going to supply a rod or not. I then called AKRA and ask them if you had submitted a rod for approval. I won’t tell the public what I learned but you. I was told that I could have let the post as it was because you had not submitted anything. You posted within seconds of what I printed. Before I could go back in and edit. This is enough of this drama that you have created. It is obvious you hate AKRA and myself because you didn’t get your way with things in the past so you air your dirty laundry here on Bob’s. I am not going to respond to you any more. I have enough on my plate as it is without dealing with this childish nonsense. Once again you have demonstrated to the reading public your personality.
Are you saying I posted within seconds of what you said on Poboy's Facebook? Are you saying you made the Poboy post before I made mine? The timestamp on Bob's shows I made my post at 5 p.m., and your post on the poboys was at 6:38. Assuming there is a difference in time zones, you are on Eastern, and I'm on Central, your post came 38 minutes if not that's an hour and 38mins after mine then you made your first response here on Bob's. Nowhere in that post or any post did you say anything about rod submission. Then, at 7:14, you edit your Poboys post where it still says the ARC will be the choice of rods. Then I called you out for making that post, and you've backtracked ever since.

Let's be clear: Your poboy post is a response to my post. For some reason, you don't know I'm part of that group and wanted to make a post only some would see. That's a private group, and unless everyone here is part of it, they won't see it, so why change from Bobs to Poboys when that kind of information is meant to be public and related to all the other posts you made?

The context clues are there. I mentioned the Chinese rods and their impact on the sport and ARC. I made it clear that other importers can have rods made, whether here or offshore, which puts everyone in the rod-making business. To say ARC is the only approved rod is a response to prevent that from happening. But now we are saying that anyone can submit a rod. And if the Chinese rods meet the specs, why are they excluded?

How can anyone submit a rod when you nor AKRA, in your many posts, have said anything about what the specifications must be for the billet rod to be legal? Does it have to be an h-beam, an i-beam, or something like an x-beam? Does it have to be aluminum? Can it be steel or titanium? Does the weight include the bearing since it's about 150g with the bearing, so the rod needs to be lightened, or doesn't it include the bearing because the rod is around 130g, which is lighter than the current rules and, therefore, illegal? Nowhere have you posted the requirements yet? I'm supposed to believe ARC has already submitted a rod when the decision was only made Friday for them to be approved.

Which brings me back to the carburetor and block. You guys are not trustworthy. I submitted a carburetor; I personally handed two PK-1B carburetors to Bill. ARKA approved it, and it was printed in a black-and-white rule book for a year. At the end of the year, you were convinced there was an unfair advantage and revoked the approval when we had over $10,000 in carburetors that we couldn't sell. That's fine; my dad came to you and Bill, and you all agreed to allow the carburetor until September or until the tech tools were made. We agreed to make a new carburetor, but we had to wait until the tech tools were made.

You are so concerned about someone's character but lied to my father's face and Bill. Racers at your tracks called us because we sold them carburetors based on that agreement, but you told them you wouldn't allow it.

Again, you want me to submit a rod without any technical information? So, can you again write the rules around not allowing the rod I decide to make?

What about the racer? In response to your approval of the CL-4 and Billet rod, the first two posts were to approve the Tillotson Block. I didn't make the post, but it was the first thing mentioned in the back-to-back posts. Since it was mentioned, it only makes sense that I back up the racer and make my cases again for it because you said there was no advantage, which contradicts the reason it wasn't approved.

You made the case yourself; breakages are more likely. You guys approved the CL4 and built a case for the billet rod. The case you made protects that investment with a stronger but not factory product. Then, it's only for durability, the same as the rod. Is it going to cost more, and so will the rod? And like the rod, it's not mandated that you have to run the Tillotson block, but it's a choice the racer or engine builder can make. I'm not twisting your words; I'm using your logic in an identical situation.

As I have said before, the difference is that the block can be reused by boring and honing it. Once the rod is done, it's done and more than likely thrown away when it's no longer usable. Now you have a seasoned block that can go on as limited, builder-prepared, open, etc.

Now, with a billet rod and the Tillotson block, why can't this engine be run in road racing or sprint? If AKRA were the American Road Racing Association, would it not make sense to work towards a unified rule book and a completely unified 4-cycle karting? You said you are working with NKA, and they've legalized the block. So what's the hold up other than your pride?

The sprint market is virtually untapped by the clone market. Everyone involved in importing, building parts, and building engines will unlock a bigger market that we can help grow. I pointed out Briggs is not as stable as some think, and a clone could better support the 4-cycle sprint market if the rules became stable like the LO206. Does anyone make parts legal to run in the LO206? No. Did your trial with the Tillotson 212RS work? No. It has a seal on it, and you guys wanted to set up only a limited number of certified builders. Bill thought he was doing us a solid because we would be stocking the parts. We didn't stock the engine at all and refused to support it because we don't believe in sealing it, and it doesn't help everybody in karting to do it that way.

Right now, everyone is trying to take more pieces of the pie rather than figuring out how to grow it. Anything we do is seen as a threat because they believe they will lose part of their share of the market rather than harnessing the efforts we made to find new opportunities. As I said, look at the modified markets. How many more cams have Dyno and Precision sold, or flywheels ARC sold because of our block? Imagine if the Tillotson block was legal and could successfully run in the sprint classes. Imagine we had a supported super stock, limited and open back on the dirt and sprint tracks like we did when running the flathead.

The clone classes should be:
Clone - Light, Medium, Heavy, Super Heavy, Sumo(if necessary)
Jr - Red, Green, Purple, Blue
Stock Appearing
Super Stock
Limited
Open

No more pro, semi-pro, amateur, Predator, or stock engine classes. These classes could run any track in the country, whether sprint, road racing, wing/caged karts, or LTO karts.
 

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I still have questions and ideas about the billet rod, and it would be interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

It seems the common consensus on rod failures is that the dipper breaks most often. I want to hear about some of the other causes of failure.

I brought up that there are no specifications or rules for the billet rod for many reasons. The main reason is that it is evidence of the rule makers' bias, but it's a valid question for anyone who wants to make a rod for the 196 class.

There is going to be a significant volume of billet rods, and since Don's post on Poboys says ARC doesn't even know yet, is that volume going to be overbearing? Will there be rod shortages when only one rod is allowed?

When it was first proposed, I didn't believe the goal was to allow only the ARC; It was assumed that the ARC would be the only major player. However, there have been other rod manufacturers specifically for the clone engine, including Clements. I believe WMS, and I know there are others with the same capabilities.

The volume of billet rods will rival or exceed that of the modified market if everyone switches to a billet rod. For the market and other businesses, it means it's a low-risk venture into making or selling rods. I said that the ARC rods are knocked off, which means someone trying to lower their cost to have a billet rod can buy one from Amazon, but someone could have that rod privately labeled and sell it into the market again; it's low-risk.

While we're not ARC, we make rods too, and I have to look at the problem we both face, which is being beaten down by a market flooded by cheap knock-off rods. Having rods submitted is an incomplete solution, as I have pointed out the biased nature of the rule maker, but if someone wants to submit a private label knocked-off rod especially if the standard and specs are built around the ARC then you have no choice to build an identical rod, what's going to happen? Either biased judgment unjustifiably stops it, or it floods the market. Maybe none of it will matter if there is enough volume.

I believe there could be an alternative solution, and a better understanding of the problems with the current cast rods may lead us to that answer.

For example, I believe a billet rod can be made to the current minimum weight, so the performance difference isn't a real concern. The price of the billet rod is the only real hesitation for anyone, even those who support having a billet rod in their engine. So the next question is, how can we make a better rod for less?

What if a billet rod was made without a bearing? Cut the cost of the $25 bearing, and it may be possible to see a billet rod for $40 or less. You may not get the same longevity as a bearing, but how many bearing changes can be made before you replace the rod? Three new bearing-less rods for $120 or a bearing rod with two spare bearings is $125, which is no significant difference. The more bearings you can replace, the more viable a rod with a replaceable bearing makes sense.

What about the opposite? What if your cast rod was engineered to be stronger with a better dipper, bolts, and bearing? Then, you may buy a rod for $40 or less instead of a $75+ rod. If you can buy a $40 rod and two spare bearings for $90, then the cost difference will pay for the next rod.

Or maybe just a better cast rod for $10-12?

So the question becomes, can we submit a new cast rod?

I don't necessarily oppose billet rods or an improved rod. At this point, what difference does it make? But I think announcing billet rods will be allowed for next year, which is only weeks away, without specifications to submit rods is very short notice for the manufacturers and engine builders to make changes.
 
It seems karting hasn't been that interesting, so the pots have been stirred. A lot has been posted about the rule changes and the leadership from AKRA, so rather than getting lost in the many redundant threads, I started a new one.

Weeks ago, AKRA announced they were not changing their rule book. I view this as a marketing tactic to show stability within the program, and they are very proud to make that announcement. That's until the news that NKA decided to allow porting, and everything within AKRA started to unravel.

Don starts the thread with the "rumor" of the change and all the cost of making those changes, which comes across as fearmongering because if there is anything racers don't like to hear, it's how a rule change is getting into their wallets. However, some expressed support for the billet rod, and some claimed there are AKRA engines running the CL-4, and rod failure is not a big issue.

There are two experiences with the stock connecting rods: those with a lot of rod failure and those without. AKRA is addressing the allowance of the billet rod as a racer or engine builder's choice. Some claim the cast rod will still have an advantage since it weighs less, which contradicts the fearmongering posts about rod failures being a non-negotiable consequence of allowing the CL4. It's not like EC and ARC can't make a lighter billet rod for the stock classes. We will have rods made soon after the rules are published, and I'm sure ARC will, too.

AKRA vs. NKA
Many things are said about how we can get on the same page and make the rules the same. I'm going to explain why they more than likely will never happen.

First, they are competitors. I believe someone mentioned this in one of the posts, which is a fact. As it was said, some places have started using the CL-4 in their AKRA engines illegally but are getting away with it.. or maybe not. Most tracks allow you to claim both engines, and it's easy to get mixed up when tech has multiple engines in multiple classes all night long. NKA's move is to allow something AKRA did years ago, which should be good news as it would make the engine rules closer to the same. Now, at least, the AKRA would be legal in NKA, even if NKA is not legal in AKRA. Some would argue, including AKRA, that the differences in camshafts aren't going to make a difference, which would have meant more people would build ARKA engines than NKA engines because it's legal for both, kinda like IKF and WKA with the flatheads.

Rather than just allowing the camshaft, AKRA is going to allow the billet rod, so everyone will have a billet rod in their engine. The scapegoat is the racer or engine builder's desire to use a billet rod. In other words, we gave you what you want at your own expense, so don't blame us. But the truth is it gives AKRA the perceived advantage. Therefore, that's what is going to be built.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot, especially if they adopt the retainer weight or other rules from NKA. NKA will be legal for AKRA, but AKRA won't be legal for NKA. More NKA engines will be built if the engine builders and racers stick with the cast rod. It's a catch 22.

Secondly, the rules can be viewed as intellectual property. I'm not sure about the specifics of how the laws are written and are clear, and I'm not sure the organization fully understands them, but the threat of a possible lawsuit prevents the rules from being the same.

Box Stock Project tried a similar tactic when we first advertised the Tillotson 196R as the Tillotson 196 box stock engine. Box Stock Project sent us a threatening email because we used the term box stock. They claimed they had copyright protection and wanted us to pay to have the AKRA reprinted and remove box stock from our advertising. We ignored it at first, but when they were persistent about it, we asked for their Copyright ID, which made it clear they don't have a claim over box stock and that it must be a box stock project since box stock is a commonly used term and it must have all three words to be protected. We explained and told them to stop harassing us. Bill at ARKA was carbon copied in those emails.

Whether the organization have legal grounds or not its not going to stop them from threating it and its not a risk either one is willing to take. These organizations sell insurance, and more track using their rules should be using their insurance, so if other organizations start using their rules to sell their insurance, it could be a possible legal problem.


AKRA's Leadership and (Irr)responsibility
Before Don at AKRA decided to allow the CL-4 cams and billet rods, he posted a preemptive defensive thread about himself and AKRA because he was already getting beat up over his thread on the rumor of NKA allowing porting and if AKRA allowed it would force them into allowing a billet rod. It almost makes it seem like this was the strategy if NKA ever allowed porting.

I think the post did more harm than good for those who take the time to read it.

Don claims that AKRA was the leader in making changes to the rules that would be "necessary" to keep a fair playing field, only for the other organization to make the same rule change. It sounds like AKRA keeps moving the goalpost the moment everyone tries to get on the same page.

For example, AKRA allowed porting first, and if you go back to read what was being said, some don't believe there would be much, if any, difference that would impact performance or the outcome of a race. You can argue it was an unnecessary rule change that cost the racer more money. Allegedly, the JT-158 head was a stealth-ported head sent to be made at the factory. Later, when we made the Tillotson JT-207, the head was equal to or slightly better but ultimately more consistent. Again, going back to this forum, many people suggested going to a spec head. Don's response was it was looked into and would cost 20k to do so, but that didn't stop Dynocams from making the JT-158, EC from making the JT-207, or Gage/Stout from making a spec head specifically for AKRA, which isn't even legal for this class. Today, the JT-158 and the Tillotson's head are the preferred heads. Had they not made the porting rules, you would be spending less for those heads today.

It's not the only rule change they allowed that cost the racer money. If AKRA will boast about being the leader and originator of the rules, they have to be responsible for the costly changes, too. Most of the changes were to make the engines faster so that blueprinting would make a greater difference between a stock engine and a blueprinted engine.

Exhaust Head—If you want to kill the power and rpm of these engines, spec a small-diameter pipe. The rule was changed because it didn't sound good. For those who don't like the short weenie pipes, you would take the current big headers with a smaller inside diameter.

Valve Springs—Not a single factory spring is used in these engines. The spring was designed so a camshaft could be made to make more power and for the engines to turn more rpms.

Camshafts - Camshafts have been further developing as the rules have changed.

Lightweight Retainers and Lifters—Every single retainer and lifter is machined and not comparable to known stock parts, which start with BSP bringing them in that way and claiming they were factory pieces. Again, this allows the engines to turn more rpms. If it were not for this rule, we probably wouldn't have a CL-4 camshaft. If NKA is copying AKRA, then AKRA is to blame.

Billet Rod—Nothing stops ARC or us from making a rod to spec for this class. Engine builders say it's a no-brainer to go with a billet rod, especially if it weighs the same as the cast rod.

These problems resulted from AKRA, as the leader of clone rules, not standing their ground and using a more formal approval process. Importers are not required to submit new versions of parts. For example, the rule on the head is it must be a JT head. As Don said, the early rules left grey areas that could be exploited, which is why the TG-1 is the only other head allowed. EC, Speed Karts, and Dynocams sought a better clone head. The problem wasn't that the head made less power. It was less reliable. But that hasn't stopped us or the other importers from trying to find any advantage we can. The rule organization knows this is how the game is played, and it could have been a lot easier to fix had they made each importer submit their engines and parts when a noticeable change was made, particularly to the cylinder heads and carburetors, which are identifiable by numbers or letters. The same is true for lightweight lifters and retainers, which are measurable and can be checked against known stock parts.

Regardless of what "cheating" took place in the beginning, the engines are faster today than they were when the clone started and would have remained that way if key parts of the rules hadn't changed.

Tillotson Block and PK-1B Carburetor.
We are the only ones that had to submit our parts for approval. We had to do this because Tillotson put their logo on the parts. If we had designed the JT-207 without a logo and the PK-1B as a Ruixing carburetor, then those parts would have entered the competition none the wiser.

That didn't stop rumors about the PK-1B after it was approved and in the rulebook. Rumors were spread that we had "special" carburetor bodies made, and we're selling them to specific builders to give them advantages. If we were going to that trouble, we wouldn't have made it a Tillotson but a Ruixing because Tillotson only had two models that could be checked against. The Ruixing has numberless versions, which would have been impossible to check. Just so everyone knows, it's not off the table because "it came from the factory that way."

The truth is these carburetors were not manufactured until the rulebook was published, and it takes much longer for a rulebook to be printed than it does to publish them digitally online. We had over 2000 PK-1B carburetors manufactured, but it took about six months to build because these are not your mass-produced carburetors built on an assembly line for power equipment engines. Since we missed most of the year, we air-shipped only one or two cases, limiting how many we could sell to each engine builder who wanted them. The rest were to be sea freight and would arrive at the start of the next year.

At that time, AKRA told us the carburetor would not be legal for the next year because of these rumors. So, my Dad met with Bill and Don to talk about it. They agreed to allow the carburetor to be legal until September or when they had tech tools made(costing the tech man money and more time in the tech barn), and we were going to make a revised version of the PK-1C. That fell apart very quickly. Don told people the carburetor wouldn't be legal because there was no supply. I called him out on it when he said it on Facebook, and he told me that's not true and for him to put in the order himself. We also had racers telling us he wasn't allowing the carburetor in his area after we sold the carburetors to those racers. So, he LIED to us, and we decided not to go through the BS again and didn't make a new carburetor.

In the meantime, NKA picked up the Tillotson 196R and had Tillotson make the 196RS, which included the PK-1B and the new Tillotson block. Technically, these parts are still legal as the Tillotson 196R/RS are in the NKA rule book as legal engines. However, the rules are not clear, so tracks have to make their own interpretation and enforcement of those rules.

Interestingly, the first two responses to the CL-4 and Billet rod approval were to legalize the Tillotson block. The block was deemed an unfair advantage that would cost the racers money. If that's not the kettle calling the pot black, I don't know what it is. Even Don had to say there was no advantage with the Tillotson block, which is unsurprising for someone who lies habitually. In Don's rant about loyalty, you see his loyalty is to AKRA, Box Stock Project, and Dover Power, and he is protecting their businesses by not allowing Tillotson Products in the class.

The organizations like to tell you they have the best interest of the racers, so I tried a little democracy, taking the conversation to the racers so they can participate and voice their opinion. The conversation gets high jacked by Dave Klaus, the former Briggs Motorsports Director when he was still working as director. They say an enemy of my enemy is my friend. Dave made the case that the Tillotson block would be obsolete compared to the other clone blocks and that they would improve performance and ring seal without data or evidence. The truth is Briggs doesn't want Tillotson in the karting market because the clone pushed Briggs out of the dirt market. We had been working on an engine that would enter the 4-cycle sprint market, and anything Briggs could do to prevent that, they would. For AKRA, that gave them a reason not to allow the Tillotson block, except Don now says there is no advantage, which means it's only prejudice.

Understandably, there was resistance from the other importers since Tillotson could take over the market because not much was done to prevent unfair advantages, head of the month, cherry-picking, and inconsistency. We worked with Tillotson with the goal of putting an end to the unnecessary rule changes without creating a new class. The Tillotson could slowly integrate so karting could return to a single manufacturer class like the Briggs, Yamaha, Mac, and all the other successful eras of karting.

The block would have been strong enough to be used in Stock Appearing, Super Stock, Limited Modifieds, and Open Modified classes and be strong enough to run both sprint and dirt oval, which means the block was just a $100 throwaway block but a block that could have been reused and repurposed. Clone blocks are being thrown away in the box stock class. If the billet rod is a rule change to protect the racer's investment, what excuse is there to not have the Tillotson block legal? It's to protect the other importers. The Tillotson 196 could have been the engine that unified all of the 4-cycle karting for the dirt and sprint. We're always thinking bigger.

Tillotson was prepared to and did begin offering their products to the other importers. However, it was clear from their rejection and prevention that they didn't want Tillotson in the market. Now, they've missed out on all our improvements to karting in the modified classes and aftermarket. The irony was allowing the billet rod when we're the only importer making billet rods. As much as I like the idea, this will put more people in the rod business. The clone rods have already been knocked off in China, and it will only be a matter of time before the other importers have their brand of inexpensive billet rods. AKRA is not only killing karting but may also kill off ARC by putting more companies in business to make their most popular rods. After all, why stop with one rod?

Why Not Briggs LO206?
Many people believe it's time to switch to Briggs because the rule changes have gotten out of hand. Briggs has a stable structure because it makes the sole engine and the sole rulebook.

I don't believe the LO206 as an engine is the answer, but the structure of their class is. I believe in the next few years, you'll see the other importers move to their own engines and rules to avoid the problems with AKRA, NKA, and WKA. They will use the latest rule changes as an opportunity to create their own class which the Ducar 212 has done since it was first imported.

Briggs has had too many supply change issues and can barely keep up with the growth of their sprint market. Many years ago, Dave told us they don't care about the dirt market, and today, it wouldn't be a good choice to weaken their supply chains to take the risk against the clone on the dirt. Tillotson's 4-cycle sprint class is growing, and if Briggs falters, it will open the door for Tillotson to become a more prominent engine on the sprint. An investment group, KSP Captial Partners, also owns Briggs. Briggs Motorsports could be liquidated at any time if it doesn't seem profitable to keep or if it's more profitable to sell. It's unstable from the business side of things.


Karting for the Future
The future of karting will more than likely be a spec clone of some kind that is like the LO206 with a single manufacturer and single rule set. The low cost and popularity will always give it an advantage over the Briggs Animal/LO206; Briggs uses a clone on its power equipment. Tillotson has shown that it can hold its own. By showing that it is possible and that the overall acceptance has been positive, the other importers are more willing to take the risk of making their own engines. It will also be the only way 4-cycle karting continues.

I don't mean it with any malice, but most of those running AKRA are in their twilight years. As Don said, many were trying to take techs away from AKRA after Bill passed assuming it would disappear. Van Gilder didn't keep it going for the dirt; it kept going and was renamed for Road Racing.

Keeping AKRA alive is vanity. If something happens to Don, who keeps AKRA dirt racing going? If Don really cares, then he will quit continuing the strife between the two major rule organizations and join NKA so he can use his remaining years to establish NKA at his tracks, train techs and put karting under one rule set and one organization. So when he gets too old or passes, AKRA falls apart and moves on to NKA or WKA anyways but with a heavier load to bear.

I can go on and on but that's my .02.
First I want to thank you for speaking up about this as well.

Here’s my .02 cents..

Never before have we needed a sanctioning body as we do today. Karting is in a sad state and I’m the next generation to lead karting into the future. It’s clear to me and many others, the figure heads in charge of writing rules at AKRA are only interested in protecting theirselves and their importers. We need people who are interested in growing the sport and correcting the several issues in the industry today. From etiquette on the track to the rules governing the sport. I have never supported the NKA rules set because the person behind NKA does not have the best interest for karting at heart. I long believed AKRA was the lesser of two evils, but Dons unwillingness to see the true needs of the Saturday night racer is sad.

Do rods break? Sure. Are rods breaking the forefront of the issues? Definitely not. Are the blocks which Akra currently allows known to be a one and done, known to break, etc. YES. I’m not against the rod itself, but If you want to call yourself a leader and want to be at the forefront of the sport you have to act like it. The needs of the racers is cost effective changes, not changes that continue a problem at more expense. Effectively what AKRA done is said we see your cam and raise you a rod without discussing something racers have been asking for years for!

Here’s an idea I think would be great for the sport long term. Let’s ditch the predator class.. change clone rules to allow the Tilly 196 package. Introduce the 196r package you can purchase from places like Go Power Sports, in a completely sealed version in place of the pure stock/predator class. Now you have a true stock motor that’s great for an ENTRY level class and if you’re ready to move up, you are already on the same motor, and you rebuild into a builder prepared motor and keep rocking. Oh and it’s supporting a company that has been a substantial asset to karting for many years.

Again my .02 cents.. from someone who loves this sport with every fiber of my being and is dedicated to bettering this sport so that it can return to a striving state, most importantly at the local level.

Thanks!
 

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At that time, AKRA told us the carburetor would not be legal for the next year because of these rumors. So, my Dad met with Bill and Don to talk about it. They agreed to allow the carburetor to be legal until September or when they had tech tools made(costing the tech man money and more time in the tech barn), and we were going to make a revised version of the PK-1C. That fell apart very quickly. Don told people the carburetor wouldn't be legal because there was no supply. I called him out on it when he said it on Facebook, and he told me that's not true and for him to put in the order himself. We also had racers telling us he wasn't allowing the carburetor in his area after we sold the carburetors to those racers. So, he LIED to us, and we decided not to go through the BS again and didn't make a new carburetor.

Mark,
I was at that meeting at OVKA and William Tuttell. You and Carroll agreed with everyone that as a Tilloston rep they would make a new carb PK-!C. We all agreed sence you already air freighted 1000 carbs and more coming by boat to let you sell them till Sept 1 that year. I subjusted you sell them to stock appering class. As stated you sent one for Bill to look at. At that time there was a committe for AKRA. But it was not brought to us for a look at. After the problem arrived we took the cart and came up with the new tools for the carb. Witch you agreed and where given the measurments to build the PK-!C to. We did our part where is the carb you agreed to make.

Lewis
 
I am a small bit ticked off that my name has been used in such a long dragged out post that is nothing but a crying session by a bully who is throwing a fit because he didn’t get his way. I leave this post hoping the readers understand that I am not the guy who makes final decisions on behalf of AKRA. I don’t own AKRA nor do I receive compensation from AKRA. I am just someone who informs the public of decisions the AKRA makes. And by the way, in the first part of the post the poster said AKRA and NKA would not be able to get on the same page. Egg on your face Mr poster!!
To be honest, this post is not a good look for you. You can't highlight all the good you have done, then turn around and distance yourself from the situation, when things dont go so well.
 
AKRA vs. NKA
Many things are said about how we can get on the same page and make the rules the same. I'm going to explain why they more than likely will never happen.

I actually just deleted it as you were posting. As for the above statement you made about AKRA and NKA:: OOPS
 
You're right, Don. You guys adopted NKA rules and are buying and selling NKA insurance. Good job joining NKA. I am unsure why you guys bother keeping AKRA; it would make life much easier if you made it one organization at this point.
 
Keep in mind I had nothing to do with that. “You guys “ don’t apply to me!!!!!!
 
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