Standard rod vs +10

Aml dad.. because he has the new max. duel stroke crank ! It has .010 more stroke @ tdc. and .010 less stroke @ bdc.... Really. ????!!
Max stroke & long rod for me everytime for this application .
:)
likewise cloneking, I want all the stroke I can get legally to increase cylinder volume and all the rod length. If it had no advantage to increasing stroke then they wouldn't put a limit in the stroke rule. I have ran max stroke long rods in several of my motors with success. Of course this is just our opinion!
 
Right at 9 tenths of a cubic inch. And tell me, do you have the measuring tools to verify the increase? In the stroke or in the rod length?



Comments, compliments, criticisms and questions always welcome.
Sorry, I should have said .9 CC, not cubic inch.
Comments, Compliments, Criticisms and Questions always welcome.
 
Really ?

It has nothing to do with stroke ...he said --The long rod will cause the piston to dwell at TDC longer and move away from TDC more slowly, same at BDC.

This just simply isn't the case. the rates at which it slows down (and accalerates) are different at TDC than at BDC. Look at piston speed per crank degree of rotation at TDC vs BDC and then compare rod lengths/ratios.
I'm not expectng you to just take my word for it, but if you're not willing to do your own research and look at some graphs or some illustrations, then I can't help you more than this.
No this simply isn't the case, its a Fact Jack, or Junior. !
Either way, First i want to welcome you to B4C ! And enjoy karting to the max. i know your new, because you must be lost in a realm in which you are unfamiliar with and confused terrible.. if this be true ... I Politley decline your offer to go look, or do the research, i'll takeo your word instead. i will now have you kindly escorted safely back to your Lands, and Families. May Wisdom & Knowledge Follow your path, and overtake you one day with_._ Understanding. :) that's t..he Nicest i Honestly can Remember being to anyone in a long time, i don't like nice at all, the deserved punishment of Death should have been administrated. Yea Wrath is Good, make the old,feel new again. You come in my lands, you ask me to not trust you, by not taking your word. then you blatantly defile my Title with no respect, then you begin to tell me to research, look at graphs of piston velocities in coefficient relationships with arc degrees, and rod lengths. You Tell me to study each degree of the arc, dwell times, ect. You Proclaim, or Assumes, me to be ignorant to these matters. as Fool ? For that i will slay you onsite, and banish you to shoveling Dragon xxit out of
the Dungeons forever. Then maybe not, idk. Maybe let you be King, and decide your own Fate. Until then.. You will Bow & Acknowledge the King, when Asking for an Audience. Really........????
 
likewise cloneking, I want all the stroke I can get legally to increase cylinder volume and all the rod length. If it had no advantage to increasing stroke then they wouldn't put a limit in the stroke rule. I have ran max stroke long rods in several of my motors with success. Of course this is just our opinion!

No ol Friend, these are more than opinions, these Truths come not from instant access to knowledge with a click of a button, but by blood, sweat, tears, and time. Reality is its time a new King to come with this new year. There are new lands of Mystery pulling & tugging me away from this Beloved Wonderful Land. I must go soon, & explore the Unknowns..... For the Greater Good for All.....:)
 
No ol Friend, these are more than opinions, these Truths come not from instant access to knowledge with a click of a button, but by blood, sweat, tears, and time. Reality is its time a new King to come with this new year. There are new lands of Mystery pulling & tugging me away from this Beloved Wonderful Land. I must go soon, & explore the Unknowns..... For the Greater Good for All.....:)
what are you gonna go look for sneaks? wheres he been?
 
Sneaks is in GA for the Poboy and Headrick 100 races. He stopped by yesterday on the way. He is still depressed over the "crash" of the old site.
 
I'll bet he is unless he had all his pics and info on backup! makes me think I want to save some of these posts in my computer. My luck it would crash!
 
No this simply isn't the case, its a Fact Jack, or Junior. !
Either way, First i want to welcome you to B4C ! And enjoy karting to the max. i know your new, because you must be lost in a realm in which you are unfamiliar with and confused terrible.. if this be true ... I Politley decline your offer to go look, or do the research, i'll takeo your word instead. i will now have you kindly escorted safely back to your Lands, and Families. May Wisdom & Knowledge Follow your path, and overtake you one day with_._ Understanding. :) that's t..he Nicest i Honestly can Remember being to anyone in a long time, i don't like nice at all, the deserved punishment of Death should have been administrated. Yea Wrath is Good, make the old,feel new again. You come in my lands, you ask me to not trust you, by not taking your word. then you blatantly defile my Title with no respect, then you begin to tell me to research, look at graphs of piston velocities in coefficient relationships with arc degrees, and rod lengths. You Tell me to study each degree of the arc, dwell times, ect. You Proclaim, or Assumes, me to be ignorant to these matters. as Fool ? For that i will slay you onsite, and banish you to shoveling Dragon xxit out of
the Dungeons forever. Then maybe not, idk. Maybe let you be King, and decide your own Fate. Until then.. You will Bow & Acknowledge the King, when Asking for an Audience. Really........????

I don't have problems with anyone or anything. I'm not new here just wasn't very active before the old forum crashed. What's disrespectful is saying your the clone 'king' and if its not your word it's not gospel. You humoriosly joked at what I posted mentioning a variable stroke crank. If that's not a slap in the face what is. I only post to help not be little people ...or tell them they deserve death. You my friend need to go get checked out. What I'm trying to help you guys understand is not some certain thinking, a theory or even my opinion it's a FACT. Simple geometry. Sorry to knock you off your high horse king.

In the famaous words of james hatfield

Where's your crown king nothing.
 
I acknowledge one and only one king...he died for all of us...so there......

now...fact or fiction, rod length and strength is and can be debated until the cow give chocolate milk. we each have our own theories and facts to support what we say, but as with everything....one man's fast is another man's fiction. all I know is that a long rod will push your compression up and you need to compensate in other areas for this increased pressure so that you don't launch the can into space. likewise, a shorter rod will not make the same compression without other pieces and parts being worked over.

long rod or short rod...each of us will use and work with what we want and what we have.....
 
of course I did know this one guy that they called stumpy, but he had both of his legs.....things that make you go.....hummmmm.....
 
ssrpeformance are commended for Bravery, & Honor for standing firm and.trying to help the others. well done, You passed the test of fire. lol. True are your words, I am King of Nothing, only a steward, and an unfit one at that. I do not need checked out tho, Thank You.

Yeah x2 on Sneaks.......we also grieve the loss with him. :(
As i now start to begin a new Journey, i have one last Deed to do. Announce my Relief of Watch.
after counciling with the elders and recorders, an Heir to the Throne & Worthy to Trust in all of Clone Kingdom, i duly Appoint and Dub, Sir Young Engines as the new King & Protector of Clones. Officially in effect as of this day. Rule well Barry, my Brother. i'll see everyone again someday,,,,, on the other Side..
Farewell..to All... Until we meet again.....***
 
I don't have problems with anyone or anything. I'm not new here just wasn't very active before the old forum crashed. What's disrespectful is saying your the clone 'king' and if its not your word it's not gospel. You humoriosly joked at what I posted mentioning a variable stroke crank. If that's not a slap in the face what is. I only post to help not be little people ...or tell them they deserve death. You my friend need to go get checked out. What I'm trying to help you guys understand is not some certain thinking, a theory or even my opinion it's a FACT. Simple geometry. Sorry to knock you off your high horse king.

In the famaous words of james hatfield

Where's your crown king nothing.

Smokey Yunick said ALWAYS use the longest rod possible, I'll agree with him
 




That's not correct. The longer rod will dwell more at TDC, but less at BDC. Opposite is true for short rod. A short rod will also have a faster peak piston speed than a longer rod (not to be confused with mean piston speed). Shorter rod will have more demand at peak piston.
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This is a slap.. your saying kart43 is incorrect, is Exactly what you said... both agree the longer rod will let the piston dwell longer at tdc, but less at bdc ....meaning the piston speed changes from accel to dell, ect in time.. Yet you are Confused in calling kart43 and yourself using the same mathmatical formula to both be wrong...... You sir are Incorrect, on being Incorrect... Here's your Sign COBB .
the others are wrong on stroke, in saying it moves the piston up .010, or More stroke will dwell at tdc & bdc. lol we wish,,... then the Second slap Sir was telling me to go look up graphs and charts, degrees arc, rod lenghts charts, because you found some new cool interweb site with all the charts, here's the SLAP,, When i posted longer rod, max stroke for this application every time. Pretty well says what your graphs and charts will recommend..... OK> back the to .010 more stroke moves the piston up .010 Wrong...> the piston or stroke would move up the wall .005, and .005 down..
Now to the other. sucks all the old Bob stuff is gone... Dynodon No one ever gave a critic an award... That's Funny.... WHY ? early morning roflmbo....:)
Clones have Dynodon Protection, and Barry's Affection !!! lol along with many others to Help here, iv'e shared all, and again, most info or stories, and data lost.. i feel like Sneak's.
but Death brings new life, and hope.. it has to, or there would be no continuation.
Back to Slapper,, i may be a nut in fantasy land, but i have that choice, here in America, at least where i'm at.. it's my choice to as you say , "slap" lol don't they do that in France ?
oh. back to original post, no machining needed other than the cylinder honed if wore. to diy build back is not hard, but if building back to rules, or specs. like akra bsp, then you will need the tools, .. degree wheel, dial iindicator, fixtures, burrette, no go gauges, and ect.. to make the measurements to know if it's truly legal wthin the specs, or rules..
question the dyno numbers, and tests you want, it will tell you a lot, in this situation, or application of engine, yes... you want the maximum amount of stroke allowed, and the longer +.010 rod for this application... . some blocks you only may use a .010 over max. crank to move the piston where you want +.005 up the bore.
KEY...these math arguments are really irreleavent to your question, some posts very rite, some vary wrong...
just have no more time to for these debates, certainly not an arc degrees, and piston speeds, and rod lenghts chart, ect.. which brings another point, every small change, can effect the tune of the engine package, installing the max. stroke crank, and +.010 over rod does effect the tune, is it better than before without a dyno proving it ? it should.. i
KEY 2... changing or increasing the dwell time, (as already stated above correctly by kart43 posted) is KEY 3.. piston timing to cam, & ignition timing in degrees, and getting the vlvs opened, and closed at the rite time is Most Important Key Here... These Events Tune Properly will put you up front, not that a dyno..
piston speeds, mean, average, acceleration/ deceleration rates, are all happening, they will do what they do, as a first time diy builder you need Guidance here from another builder, not math gurus, or charts, or dyno... become familiar with your motor, if already a mechanic, Great, if not Great. these guy's can guide you through as said...
 
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