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Dawgwood gets dry slick as well, we won a bunch of races there this year on the Burris, and lots of the SE Burris races included. I wouldnt include this into the similar category since it is Burris though, maybe thats just me.
As for wiping at home, thats what my Purple is for.
 
CarlsonMotorsports said:
I think at track applications for dry slick tracks depend a good deal on what prep(s) you are using too.

Our Black Bite 2.0 works GREAT if you have time for it to dry into the tire before going to the grid. Don't go to the grid with the tires wet though. I've found the best way to get it to dry is to hit the tires with a heat gun and blot them dry with a paper towel rather than using a tire wash. You can stick them in a hot box on low heat if you've got time too. Black Bite 2.0 is used to build layers of bite in a tire early in the week. On race day, you're just maintaining that level of bite (if that's what you need) if you are re-using that same set later in the evening.

Now, our Monster Bite will work fine as a PRW wet on the grid (even on dry slick) because it will be dry before you ever take the green. BUT, you typically don't use Monster Bite on dry slick tracks as much as you do on softer tracks.

Maybe Chris & Earl could share their procedure for what preps in their line-up they would wipe during the week and which ones should not be used trackside (specifically on a dry slick track.)


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Brian, do you have anyone down south, really south like Louisiana, using your preps. just wonder how well they work on tracks that have red clay but are sandy, and some are more just dirt and not clay but they get dusty until dark comes and the dew come in, we have a lot of moister in the air at night.
 
kartboy63 said:
Brian, do you have anyone down south, really south like Louisiana, using your preps. just wonder how well they work on tracks that have red clay but are sandy, and some are more just dirt and not clay but they get dusty until dark comes and the dew come in, we have a lot of moister in the air at night.
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Yes sir.
Black Bite 2.0 as base prep early in the week, then Monster Bite as a PRW at the track.

For when the moisture starts coming up, you'd do best to go to a different set that was worked down in duro a bit more with Monster.
If the track has a lot of moisture in it, or dew lays on it to where the racing line gets greasy, you'll about have to be on a goat/Pink Panther or goat/Pink Panther & creo combo for a situation like that. There are river bottom tracks like that elsewhere.


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hotelcalifornia said:
It removes the oils from the surface
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Yes I know this was a thread posted in 2022 , since then I've learned a few things , at least I'd like to thing I have lol !! this thread has some great info from guy's that understand this game better than most , and No i'm not one of them, plus it's a good debate So I'm now going to respond to some of the post to help clarify some details .
It pulls natural oils from the tire to the surface , then helps dry most of what's on the surface , all while leaving some which in turn ends up being all the prep at the track needed , and that dreaded chemical slide doesn't occur .
 
CH3Racing said:
A lot of times wiping prep at the track at those places will cause a prep slide. Iron City and Kershaw typically like a new tire. This time of year 100cc should put you in the ballpark. You will notice a lot of guys wiping a degreaser spray or Track Tac Tire Wash at the track. Thats to dry up the surface of the tire to keep from having that prep slide. You can still typically wipe during the week just no wiping at the track.
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Another post we ALL should be aware of with valuable info, NO matter where you race on which tire , ESPECIALLY BURRIS 33s " WHY " your asking, because they have to be the most chemical sensitive tire there is for Kart racing .
 
mike97760 said:
Couple years ago I had a few sets of tires I worked on pretty hard for an upcoming race. Was pretty happy until I hit the track and they were junk. Did not do well. Ran the next week at a different but similar dirt track. Junk again. A tire guy asked what i was grinding with and I didnt know, had to look. 80 grit. I was told the coarse grits oen pores up too much and dirt actually packs into the tire. Switched to 180 and 240 and never had the problem again.
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Great info, and pretty easy to understand why when you take time to think it through, those pores hold dirt , very small amount yes but enough to show up , the open pores holding that dirt is on the surface of the tire, the tire is the only thing in contact with the racing surface, the racing surface is DIRT , what should we expect !! Dirt on Dirt " SLIDE " NOT GRIP .
 
Racinwannabe said:
I realize it’s time to swallow my pride and ask for help. I find myself struggling at tracks that are similar to GKK, Patriot and Hanging Rock. It seems that when you get to tracks that have “good clay” in my opinion it seems that you can’t bring a tire that is freshly wiped or wipe a lot at the track because it causes a prep slide from picking up dirt on your tires from the track. It seems you have to have experience from those tracks to know what you think you need in duro range before you get to the track and what internal roll you need to have and how long they need to setup to have enough time to cure in without having prep slides. With those that are experienced in those conditions, what is your process you take in those weeks or months ahead of time preparing to race at tracks similar to those tracks mentioned above.
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If only we all could learn to swallow our pride more with everything in life !!
 
racing promotor said:
Another post we ALL should be aware of with valuable info, NO matter where you race on which tire , ESPECIALLY BURRIS 33s " WHY " your asking, because they have to be the most chemical sensitive tire there is for Kart racing .
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What about the Track Tac that is said to have DRT (dirt repelling technology) in it?
 
Bigeasyebo said:
What about the Track Tac that is said to have DRT (dirt repelling technology) in it?
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I'd say there are times it would Help for sure , Track Tac takes very serious the products they offer . BUT NO ONE would convince me to course Re finish than use Orange to re pell from holding in pores , I'm sure it would re pell some but not all, Again Dirt on Dirt = " SLIDE "
 
racing promotor said:
I just hit my LIKE button on this today , this post has so much value .
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I think Earl's post that you quoted in post #25, Ken is surely prep-specific, or I am misunderstanding his comment directed towards me.

His statement is certainly not true with our preps and is proven every single weekend.
I would agree that the prep shouldn't be wet when going on a dry slick track, but applied early enough to dry into the tire, it WILL create bite. (At least ours does.)
I see plenty of other prep companies recommending applying prep at the track as well. I can't speak for their products, but I certainly know ours can (and is) used to create bite trackside.


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CarlsonMotorsports said:
I think Earl's post that you quoted in post #25, Ken is surely prep-specific, or I am misunderstanding his comment directed towards me.

His statement is certainly not true with our preps and is proven every single weekend.
I would agree that the prep shouldn't be wet when going on a dry slick track, but applied early enough to dry into the tire, it WILL create bite. (At least ours does.)
I see plenty of other prep companies recommending applying prep at the track as well. I can't speak for their products, but I certainly know ours can (and is) used to create bite trackside.


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We are not in the same area, same dirt or same tire. Its different down here in the southeast.
 
SoCo Tire Treatments said:
Dawgwood gets dry slick as well, we won a bunch of races there this year on the Burris, and lots of the SE Burris races included. I wouldnt include this into the similar category since it is Burris though, maybe thats just me.
As for wiping at home, thats what my Purple is for.
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Do you recommend wiping through the week, at the track, or both @ Dawgwood?
 
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