Ok, I am the new guy to Kart racing. I was involved with it briefly 28 years ago. My racing experience has primarily been in cars. My question is, why are champ karts not allowed? You would think the extra protection would be appreciated. I'm just curious, not complaining. Like I said, I am fairly new to the Kart world.
UAS rule?
- Thread starter Kyracer7r
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MikeGrady
Member
Champs just aren't very popular everywhere. They are typically a bit less flexible on set-ups and they tend to bounce a bit more than a flat kart. That isn't good when you are trying to go fast.
The bottom line is, flat karts are the most popular by far.....so that is the basis for most racing. You can always go QRC racing. Their cage floats. They are much less popular though. Some areas have them but most don't.
Mike
The bottom line is, flat karts are the most popular by far.....so that is the basis for most racing. You can always go QRC racing. Their cage floats. They are much less popular though. Some areas have them but most don't.
Mike
Not trying to be smart those are the rules, years ago the powers to be dropped the unlimited karts. That left a lot of us with no place to race or no guide lines to go by. Thanks to Mr. Bergfelt he came up with a plan,and it works, now we may fuss and fight among ourselves. But if you go to a local event, most kids and fellow karter's envy the UAS class all of this is JMO and I hope this helps.
mikelavite#72
Member
kyracer you should look into Open Outlaw class of racing .
Taft Racing
Member
racer_2828
Member
From experience racers get fearless when they are strapped into a maletal cage. That is not a good thing on a 50+ HP kart.
Obviously you can't mix caged with un-caged. Then you just have to look at what's more affordable, and typically a flat kart runs $500 cheaper than a cage kart. And they are just so much more common. There was talk about 8 years ago about starting a UAS cage class using the same or similar weight rules to UAS and following the same principles, but it never took off. The few guys talking about it never followed through with trying it, as far as I could tell.
Ted Hamilton
Helmet Painter / Racer
The pa-wings group is effectively the UAS of caged karts....
Wish you well with your UAS project,I myself think the switch from cars to Uas is a Good choice. This will put inovation back into you racing,that was the part I enjoyed the most in cars, till they changed the cars to cookie cutters,Wka and briggs did the same with karts. UAS puts that option back on the table you ask anyone for help you will get it.
MikeGrady
Member
Where's that rule? The only rule talking about height is referring to side panels only. Nothing states a minimum height on the driver.
Mike
Not quite Ted, I know they have some 500 cc 2 strokers and I heard there is some with 600 cc, might be more of a RWYB class.
Taft Racing
Member
Mike way back when jeff Metsger showed up at a race with a wing on his kart it was a over head sprint type wing. Jeff was the kind of guy that drove his kart into the corner wide open backwards . the wing was looking to decapitate some one. There was a rule made back then that has now been reworded into your current height rules. I'd have to go look up all that stuff and post it but you can take my word for it. Its true..
jack burroughs
member
Steve, we got them here, they are called mini-sprints, but are IMHO, the same as the micro -sprints run up by you.
Ted Hamilton
Helmet Painter / Racer
SWINDLE -- they are closer to UAS in that they allow any engine instead of just mx based 125,250,or 500's like other outlaw kart series. They do have higher displacement limits...
MikeGrady
Member
Tim,
This came up about 8 months ago. Mark posted a "clarification" on Facebook and discussed Metsger. I mentioned there is nothing in the rules that prevents a guy from putting a wedge body on a laydown enduro. He agreed. He planned to have a rule proposed for 2014 rules. He didn't do that.
Again, there is nothing in the rules to prevent it as long as it does not impede the driver. There are is no mention of fairings. There is no mention of wings. The outer panels can not be metal but the center panel can be....because it wasn't spelled out.....and the ingenuity aspect was pointed out as it is spelled out in the first part of the rules.
It doesn't matter if we all don't like it, the rules are the rules....only as they have been written and agreed to by the administration. "Generally speaking, if a rule does not specifically state something is not permitted, then it can be assumed that it is permitted". That section in the "spirit and intent" is in bold print.
I have discussed this with my administrator in the past. He called me and suggested I point out the past rulings and how Mark did not propose to change anything this year. He also pointed out that the administrators voted to not change the rules for the next 2 seasons.
I'm not trying to start problems or instigate a fight. I'm only pointing out the rules as they have been in writing for years and it was pointed out in the past. That has since been dropped out of the rules. Because it was dropped, and we never had it reinstated, it should be assumed that it is in fact and area that is open.
Mike
This came up about 8 months ago. Mark posted a "clarification" on Facebook and discussed Metsger. I mentioned there is nothing in the rules that prevents a guy from putting a wedge body on a laydown enduro. He agreed. He planned to have a rule proposed for 2014 rules. He didn't do that.
Again, there is nothing in the rules to prevent it as long as it does not impede the driver. There are is no mention of fairings. There is no mention of wings. The outer panels can not be metal but the center panel can be....because it wasn't spelled out.....and the ingenuity aspect was pointed out as it is spelled out in the first part of the rules.
It doesn't matter if we all don't like it, the rules are the rules....only as they have been written and agreed to by the administration. "Generally speaking, if a rule does not specifically state something is not permitted, then it can be assumed that it is permitted". That section in the "spirit and intent" is in bold print.
I have discussed this with my administrator in the past. He called me and suggested I point out the past rulings and how Mark did not propose to change anything this year. He also pointed out that the administrators voted to not change the rules for the next 2 seasons.
I'm not trying to start problems or instigate a fight. I'm only pointing out the rules as they have been in writing for years and it was pointed out in the past. That has since been dropped out of the rules. Because it was dropped, and we never had it reinstated, it should be assumed that it is in fact and area that is open.
Mike
Jack, I thought Mini or Micro Sprints had a suspension.
Ted, I ran a couple of different ones for years at Shellhammers, probably the most comfortable kart I ever ran, and it did feel like the safest kart I was ever in. The PA Wings were started by a group of guys that used to run at Shellys, but wanted to travel. Probably about 4 or 5 years ago. I am not sure a kart is strong enough for a 500 two stroke. These guys rip their axle right off every once and a while. I worry that the frame may break in half if it gets too fatigued, hope not.
Ted, I ran a couple of different ones for years at Shellhammers, probably the most comfortable kart I ever ran, and it did feel like the safest kart I was ever in. The PA Wings were started by a group of guys that used to run at Shellys, but wanted to travel. Probably about 4 or 5 years ago. I am not sure a kart is strong enough for a 500 two stroke. These guys rip their axle right off every once and a while. I worry that the frame may break in half if it gets too fatigued, hope not.