UAS rule?

Kyracer7r

New member
Ok, I am the new guy to Kart racing. I was involved with it briefly 28 years ago. My racing experience has primarily been in cars. My question is, why are champ karts not allowed? You would think the extra protection would be appreciated. I'm just curious, not complaining. Like I said, I am fairly new to the Kart world.
 

MikeGrady

Member
Champs just aren't very popular everywhere. They are typically a bit less flexible on set-ups and they tend to bounce a bit more than a flat kart. That isn't good when you are trying to go fast.

The bottom line is, flat karts are the most popular by far.....so that is the basis for most racing. You can always go QRC racing. Their cage floats. They are much less popular though. Some areas have them but most don't.

Mike
 

Squrilly

Member
Not trying to be smart those are the rules, years ago the powers to be dropped the unlimited karts. That left a lot of us with no place to race or no guide lines to go by. Thanks to Mr. Bergfelt he came up with a plan,and it works, now we may fuss and fight among ourselves. But if you go to a local event, most kids and fellow karter's envy the UAS class all of this is JMO and I hope this helps.
 

Kyracer7r

New member
Squirlly, I was not challenging the rules. I just merely had a question as to why that type of chassis was not allowed. That was all. I'm cool with the rule. I'm a newby to karts essentially.
 

ZIP

New member
champs are not allowed in UAS because if they got on their side the cage could hurt the driver in a flat kart
 

Taft Racing

Member
champs are not allowed in UAS because if they got on their side the cage could hurt the driver in a flat kart

I agree, the cage karts on the track with uncaged karts would be a steal weapon. this is why we don't allow wings above the driver also. Even the caged drivers have to belt into their own chassis to keep from getting crushed by the cage.
 
From experience racers get fearless when they are strapped into a maletal cage. That is not a good thing on a 50+ HP kart.
 

Road Dog

Member
Obviously you can't mix caged with un-caged. Then you just have to look at what's more affordable, and typically a flat kart runs $500 cheaper than a cage kart. And they are just so much more common. There was talk about 8 years ago about starting a UAS cage class using the same or similar weight rules to UAS and following the same principles, but it never took off. The few guys talking about it never followed through with trying it, as far as I could tell.
 

Squrilly

Member
Wish you well with your UAS project,I myself think the switch from cars to Uas is a Good choice. This will put inovation back into you racing,that was the part I enjoyed the most in cars, till they changed the cars to cookie cutters,Wka and briggs did the same with karts. UAS puts that option back on the table you ask anyone for help you will get it.
 

MikeGrady

Member
I agree, the cage karts on the track with uncaged karts would be a steal weapon. this is why we don't allow wings above the driver also. Even the caged drivers have to belt into their own chassis to keep from getting crushed by the cage.

Where's that rule? The only rule talking about height is referring to side panels only. Nothing states a minimum height on the driver.
Mike
 

Road Dog

Member
Mike,

Tim is probably thinking about the rule about bodywork that could trap the driver in the kart. I think that covers it.
 

Taft Racing

Member
Where's that rule? The only rule talking about height is referring to side panels only. Nothing states a minimum height on the driver.
Mike

Mike way back when jeff Metsger showed up at a race with a wing on his kart it was a over head sprint type wing. Jeff was the kind of guy that drove his kart into the corner wide open backwards . the wing was looking to decapitate some one. There was a rule made back then that has now been reworded into your current height rules. I'd have to go look up all that stuff and post it but you can take my word for it. Its true..
 

Ted Hamilton

Helmet Painter / Racer
SWINDLE -- they are closer to UAS in that they allow any engine instead of just mx based 125,250,or 500's like other outlaw kart series. They do have higher displacement limits...
 

MikeGrady

Member
Tim,
This came up about 8 months ago. Mark posted a "clarification" on Facebook and discussed Metsger. I mentioned there is nothing in the rules that prevents a guy from putting a wedge body on a laydown enduro. He agreed. He planned to have a rule proposed for 2014 rules. He didn't do that.

Again, there is nothing in the rules to prevent it as long as it does not impede the driver. There are is no mention of fairings. There is no mention of wings. The outer panels can not be metal but the center panel can be....because it wasn't spelled out.....and the ingenuity aspect was pointed out as it is spelled out in the first part of the rules.

It doesn't matter if we all don't like it, the rules are the rules....only as they have been written and agreed to by the administration. "Generally speaking, if a rule does not specifically state something is not permitted, then it can be assumed that it is permitted". That section in the "spirit and intent" is in bold print.

I have discussed this with my administrator in the past. He called me and suggested I point out the past rulings and how Mark did not propose to change anything this year. He also pointed out that the administrators voted to not change the rules for the next 2 seasons.

I'm not trying to start problems or instigate a fight. I'm only pointing out the rules as they have been in writing for years and it was pointed out in the past. That has since been dropped out of the rules. Because it was dropped, and we never had it reinstated, it should be assumed that it is in fact and area that is open.

Mike
 

Swindle

Site Supporter
Jack, I thought Mini or Micro Sprints had a suspension.
Ted, I ran a couple of different ones for years at Shellhammers, probably the most comfortable kart I ever ran, and it did feel like the safest kart I was ever in. The PA Wings were started by a group of guys that used to run at Shellys, but wanted to travel. Probably about 4 or 5 years ago. I am not sure a kart is strong enough for a 500 two stroke. These guys rip their axle right off every once and a while. I worry that the frame may break in half if it gets too fatigued, hope not.
 
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