I looked at those links and analyzed the prices. Some price are just the engine, some are a "package - I assume, pipe, air filter, throttle linkage, clutch guard, some are prepped tune / checked over, some are "massaged". That is why there is such price disparity when trying to compare the apple to onion debate. People use the shock number comparing of one engine to the off the shelf number of a completely different engine platform to defend their position. True in kart engines, true in life.take your pick
So they would be DQ'd and forfeit any winnings and finishing positions correct? IF they want to continue to donate entry fees to go out and have a parade alone so be it.Claim rule has proved it doesn't work. some cheaters refuse to sell their engines and most tracks don't ban them as they should.
Or a lot of laps, I've raced at the same track since 2006, and started running dirt karts in the 90's with 4.5's on the front and 6.0 and 6.5 on the rear, so I feel like I can make up some with driving skill, It's just crazy how clones were supposed to save us money when it started, and it has went from out of the box to purpose built motors that I got more money in than the flathead I was running, we have a pretty good tech, but they don't tech predator classes (ran it but went back to clones) because I think guys are trying to get away with more in those classes than in the clones just like they did when the clones started, so I would like to see a class with ghosts or 206's or STOCK predators, anything that is not being touched- but don't think it'll fly where I'm atCall me a Lier but I guarantee you infact I would bet you a little cash even that there are more people cheating that are finished worst than 3rd than the ones that finish 1st 2nd and 3rd. People in top 3 know there karts, know how to be a good driver, have a strong LEGAL motor but most important Understand Tires and how to prep them!
price of the ghost will be more when outfitted with filter chain guard pump etc. how ever $300 is $300 and the ghost is in stock at my local harbor freight the Lo206 is not. fully built will be another story. no different than the animal. i suspect a blueprinted animal is more than a blueprinted clone.I looked at those links and analyzed the prices. Some price are just the engine, some are a "package - I assume, pipe, air filter, throttle linkage, clutch guard, some are prepped tune / checked over, some are "massaged". That is why there is such price disparity when trying to compare the apple to onion debate. People use the shock number comparing of one engine to the off the shelf number of a completely different engine platform to defend their position. True in kart engines, true in life.
That all depends on who you go to. Our animals don't cost us 1000+ while still staying inside the rules just fine. The guy who built ours also travels to do tech with some other big names at the large sprint events for the 206. He's been building the animals since they came out so his engines make really good power.price of the ghost will be more when outfitted with filter chain guard pump etc. how ever $300 is $300 and the ghost is in stock at my local harbor freight the Lo206 is not. fully built will be another story. no different than the animal. i suspect a blueprinted animal is more than a blueprinted clone.
the animal was commanding $1500 back in 2012 so you are getting one heck of a deal is that for an animal or a lo206? . The Animals high cost was what brought about the clone and the clones high price brought about the Predator. an animal piston ring set is $70+ a clone is around $15 ghost parts will be more in line with clone parts than BriggsThat all depends on who you go to. Our animals don't cost us 1000+ while still staying inside the rules just fine. The guy who built ours also travels to do tech with some other big names at the large sprint events for the 206. He's been building the animals since they came out so his engines make really good power.
Even when we started 10 years ago we never paid more than a 1000 for one. We also aren't looking to buy one from the big name guys that to be competitive need to be rebuilt twice a year. We get to really good power out of ours for a whole season. People switching to clones has definitely brought the price down. Could they use springs halfway through the season, maybe? But we've never had a spring break or cause problems. Overall I'm happy to have an engine that's a bit more stout and doesn't change every year. My dad bought a 206 a few years back and had around 500 in it. Year or two old. Ran it, liked it, sold it. Far as I know that engine is still in use.the animal was commanding $1500 back in 2012 so you are getting one heck of a deal is that for an animal or a lo206? . The Animals high cost was what brought about the clone and the clones high price brought about the Predator. an animal piston ring set is $70+ a clone is around $15 ghost parts will be more in line with clone parts than Briggs
Engine as pictured is $1175. Higher than some, lower than others, but definitely on par with anyone's in the country on power. That's the nice thing about a sealed engine, is that it's more about "tuning" than "blueprinting." Most racers can do the same things that the "builders" are doing, but would prefer that someone with more knowledge/experience set up their engine for them New 206 engines are $599 MSRP.Truth! well said!
BTW- how much is the LO206 pictured^^^^?
I keep hearing (here) "$1000" or more. If the over the counter price is $600 (for a precision, hand built, spec / measurement controlled engine) then what is the $400 for? In the picture I see pipe, air filter, throttle linkage, clutch guard (and the "2 tenths" CRE sticker ).
I assume some engine prep / tune / adjust? Just asking so I can keep track of the apples to oranges debates.
That's what I am saying. They are in short supply, not unavailable. They are being built at the factory and being shipped out to distributors & dealers who have bought to have shipped direct from the factory. Engines are available, but you might have to do some calling around if they are not available at your local shop or favorite supplier. Some shops, like ourselves, are only selling race-ready versions of the engine as it's all we can do to keep up with those sales. (Same with Burris tires being only offered as cut sets, and we've just recently allowed sales of new wheels again.) Burris 33s are not "unavailable," simply takes some looking to find and get them, and you may have to purchase them as cut sets rather than stickers.) The Predator engines were in short supply for much of the past year as well. It's an industry wide problem that is global.what's the difference between out of stock and back ordered. if it ain't on the shelf ready to purchase what do you call it? unavailable??
No, that's what was supposed to happen but most times the rules wasn't applied and they were allowed to keep racing at those tracks.So they would be DQ'd and forfeit any winnings and finishing positions correct? IF they want to continue to donate entry fees to go out and have a parade alone so be it.
Depends who you're selling to... My observation is that the masses (at least on pavement sprint) don't really care as much about power/speed as us hardcore racers would like to think.Well 6-9 Horsepower isn't really a selling point either .
I have to say at the track I run I have had people tell me they are cheating and finish at the back of the pack. When the kart is not setup correct and the tires are not right they are slow then they complain about motor. Unfortunately you kinda just have to let it go and go on with life.Agree with pred racer. News flash if you are cheating and still loosing there's a good chance you are not nearly as good as you think you are. Cheating gains maybe half a hp. That can be overcome with skill and knowledge.