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Nothing what so ever, racers and the track need to claim oftenWhat is the issue with the claim rule?
Nothing what so ever, racers and the track need to claim oftenWhat is the issue with the claim rule?
Nothing is wrong with the claim rule. On the other side of the coin, nobody ever wants to claim even when they know they got outright beat by a cheater. See it all the time here. Everybody would rather cheat up their stuff with the same cash it would take to claim the winner. Then it becomes a rocket class and it dies off because eventually the claim rule drops off with no one claiming over the whole course of a season.What is the issue with the claim rule?
If you're cheating and only making 1/2 HP more, then you're not very good at cheating either.Agree with pred racer. News flash if you are cheating and still loosing there's a good chance you are not nearly as good as you think you are. Cheating gains maybe half a hp. That can be overcome with skill and knowledge.
the LO206 has not caught on because its $1000.00 by the time it hits the track. the ghost at $300.00, and going by the recent posted dyno numbers, is a bargain comparatively. I would love love love to race the lo206 but i'm not going to be able to convince a bunch of people to invest $1000.00 or even $600.00 in the off chance of creating a class when everyone already has a predator. If the ghost takes off you may be able to convince the track to let the two compete in the same class and let the best engine win but that's an uphill battle. Another issue with the briggs is How do you get one?? i have a better chance picking up a Ghost, a Predator or a clone than i do an lo206.Look, there will always be the next cheaper engine. Personally, I think we've got too many engine choices already! Diluting the classes further only makes for a longer night. The Briggs LO206 has been the best ("equal" and "affordable") spec engine to come along in all my years (50+ in karting,) and yet it has not exactly been embraced by the oval karting world. It totally transformed the sprint market and made a name for itself in the winged outlaw classes over the last 10 years, yet dirt flat kart guys just haven't gotten on board yet. You want "equal?" It's already offered. I'm just not sure that's what the oval guys really want. Remember, "equal" is what started Ted's thread.
I'm not really sure why someone didn't produce billet blocks....if all the rest is aftermarket, finish the cycle and freeze the ruleset.bring back stock class flatheads !!!!!!
That is my point. You can run any engines you want but the best way to keep engines equal is TECH but that is to hard for some tracks. Some tracks would rather have more racers than scare off people running illegal motors. But just wait those tracks will keep having lower and lower kart counts the more they don't tech.Mountain Creek here in NC has a LO205 Champ class. I'm curious to see how it does. And I'd far rather spend $1000 once for 3 years of running a LO206 than whatever a clone or Pred costs over a season, plus refreshes, every season. And yes, people are winning with engines that old. Some even argue they're better aged block with a fresh valve job... But our local sprint track doesn't tech 'em, so the LO206 cheating began and killed the perception of parity.
While true, that the big time clone is going to need valve springs every 2 races, a rebuild every 8-10 races, and god knows what in the offseason when rules updates hit.the LO206 has not caught on because its $1000.00 by the time it hits the track. the ghost at $300.00, and going by the recent posted dyno numbers, is a bargain comparatively. I would love love love to race the lo206 but i'm not going to be able to convince a bunch of people to invest $1000.00 or even $600.00 in the off chance of creating a class when everyone already has a predator. If the ghost takes off you may be able to convince the track to let the two compete in the same class and let the best engine win but that's an uphill battle. Another issue with the briggs is How do you get one?? i have a better chance picking up a Ghost, a Predator or a clone than i do an lo206.
a big time national level engine builder just charged me 1175.00 for an AKRA clone. $175.00 more than an L206. that's why it hasn't caught on.
From what i've been told by a few big engine builders is that the importers of the clone keep the briggs from taking off. some prehistoric reptile cam manufacturer is making too much moneyMountain Creek here in NC has a LO205 Champ class. I'm curious to see how it does. And I'd far rather spend $1000 once for 3 years of running a LO206 than whatever a clone or Pred costs over a season, plus refreshes, every season. And yes, people are winning with engines that old. Some even argue they're better aged block with a fresh valve job... But our local sprint track doesn't tech 'em, so the LO206 cheating began and killed the perception of parity.
Sounds like a track that loves low kart counts and hates making money. Refuse to sell your engine to me, and you'll be racing yourself next week.Claim rule has proved it doesn't work. some cheaters refuse to sell their engines and most tracks don't ban them as they should.
Southeast has actually been the other way. Tracks preferred to keep the cheaters till they got rid of this buy rule at most tracks. Didn't affect their numbers so bad. Maybe most were cheating. When you see builders selling OTB engines that's not a good sign.Sounds like a track that loves low kart counts and hates making money. Refuse to sell your engine to me, and you'll be racing yourself next week.
I can't argue with that. We've sold more 206s already this year than likely the last 2 years combined. We currently have a backlog of orders for them and as soon as we get the next batch of engines in, they will sell out within a day or two.the Lo206 biggest problem over the past couple of years is.... OUT OF STOCK
Truth! well said!I'm convinced that most oval racers do not want "equal" engines. They would prefer to be able to buy an "advantage" in the engine department.
https://cometkartsales.com/Briggs-Engines/Truth! well said!
BTW- how much is the LO206 pictured^^^^?
I keep hearing (here) "$1000" or more. If the over the counter price is $600 (for a precision, hand built, spec / measurement controlled engine) then what is the $400 for? In the picture I see pipe, air filter, throttle linkage, clutch guard (and the "2 tenths" CRE sticker ).
I assume some engine prep / tune / adjust? Just asking so I can keep track of the apples to oranges debates.