Harbor Freight 212 Ghost
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Landon Engine Building
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The product description mentions something called the "performance racing accessory kit" (sold separate). I bet this consists of an exhaust, among other necessary parts, like an air filter, chain guard, etc.
The way they word the description makes it sound like this "performance racing accessory kit" is gonna increase performance, like a hop-up kit. Seems like problems could arise from that though, what would the point even be, it's rev limited.
Anyway I'm exited to see how it plays out.
Harbor Freight really has been active lately, this is like their 3rd engine this year.
The way they word the description makes it sound like this "performance racing accessory kit" is gonna increase performance, like a hop-up kit. Seems like problems could arise from that though, what would the point even be, it's rev limited.
Anyway I'm exited to see how it plays out.
Harbor Freight really has been active lately, this is like their 3rd engine this year.
MO Predator Racer
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Pretty sure it will
"J'-remy
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it should. the 5hp briggs flathead is the same bolt pattern. remember these motors are replacements for your generator, power washer log splitter TILLER etc etc. makes sense that the manufactures keep the bolt pattern so companies can get bids on power units for said equipment
"J'-remy
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I'm down for one engine. tired of all the classes (of 3-5 people). Will be hard to see my clone motors loose their value though. I still race a flathead when I can so.... Glad to see no can muffler as racers like the rumble and its the first thing people cry about before they it goes into $$$$ blueprinted engines. the Ducar from dyno-cams is 200 and has the flywheel don't see why this is $100 more.the gas tank, air filter, and exhaust would cost more than that top plate and carburetor. HF was making a profit selling the 212 for $99 so im guessing it cost them less than $10 to make before its boat ride from Asia and the shipping to the store, employees, lights, rent, etc.
looks like my tread Are the Predators killing the clone? might be more relevant than ever.
looks like my tread Are the Predators killing the clone? might be more relevant than ever.
Dustinbuck68
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Good grief more 212s? Got the hemi, non hemi, Duncar, and Tillotson. every track has different rules. Gotta run stock muffler, gotta run weiner pipe, gotta run the big pipe. Stock air cleaner at one and after market air filters at the next. open spark plug and gotta run the stock spark plug. one place its a hobby class and the next place puts on an $800 money race with the motor. It is amazing how many of these are at my engine builders shop to be worked on for the people running the non money classes and hobby classes. My buddy claimed a motor in the Iowa Predator series and it had an illegal cam in it because of lack of tech. Clones are expensive but at least there is a mostly universal rules package for it.
The big question on weather this is a viable alternative for box stock classes is if there is any consistency in manufacturing, tolerances and parts. Otherwise it will be no better then the flathead, clone or preditor. Authough few seem to recognize it here, this consistency is what has allowed a stable rule set and price with the LO206.
"J'-remy
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^^^^^^ this is the biggest problem in karting today. NKA AKRA clone, briggs, 212 (x 4 different rulesets)) and a light medium heavy super heavy jr beginner amateur class for each one. one motor please with same rules for all over the country. hobby/trophy and pro/$$$$ and keep it that way if you want to move from hobby to pro take your motor to the builder bring your wallet and tell em you wanna race pro. of course this makes total sense and will never take off
That's why I like Georgia Stock Appearing Rules. Production parts only, mix and match from any small block production engines
XXX#40
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That's why I like out of the box, 5000 rpm rule and $150.00 claim, you start crying wanting a different filter or exhaust move up to the clone classes that allow it, if not adhere to the tracks rules and race
ABR #69
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When the OHV class contains any OHV engine with a similar Cubic inch under one rule set. Then we'll see a return to "Stock" light/medium/heavy, with the Super stock, limited and SMB Open format. Till then, we'll keep 45 classes cause no one can learn from past mistakes. Everyone wants to play, but no one wants to pay, you pay one way or another down the road. It's that simple.
Our rules are 5500 rpm, adjust the governor and thats is. We can relocate the fuel tank and add top plate. Anyway my engine builder builds me a mean Stock Appearing and I pay good for his work , but when he only charges me $25 to set up my out of box Predator, I know I aint cheating.. Me and my buddies engines are right from the box.
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ABR #69
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What would be wrong with just making all OHV under one rule set, Animal, clone, Kholer, Honda, as long as they're Cubic inch is similar? Pick your poison and go from there. Guessing everyone would complain with Tech, the Techman would need to be able to tech multiple engines. But, most of them that have been around any amount of time probably still have flathead and Animal tech tools. It could bring a lot of engines sitting on shelves back out of retirement. Adjust rules as you go, that's what any governing body does for race engines. I'm guessing the heads would be the most controversial area. But, I'm sure that a lot of that could be mitigated.
OVALTECH1
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If it’s been touched by a builder and the governor removed as well as fuel tank and top plate it’s not “out of the box” ….
Yeah I goofed that up, governor is still intact just cant rev over 5500 on stand.. Ours still has factory tank, the track allows the relocation of the tank but we havent done that. All my engine guy does is adjust governor and add the chainguard. Im no engine guy at all, so I dont even fiddle with trying to adjust the governor, just drop it off at his house, he's local.
XXX#40
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Remember they tried that with World Formula, it'll always one platform complaining
mike97760
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Box stock in KY has always been crazy. In the beginning every track assumed you would throw away the governor stuff. OK fine. Then came weenie pipes and open air cleaners. OK fine again. Then I am at a pretty big race, an old friend of mine set fast time at a big race but broke on his 2nd lap. He travels and races alone, I go to see if he needs help. Its a broken valve spring but its a 26 pound spring. And a 310 cam. This was common to the point to where the tracks went back to "Box Stock" with a governor and stock filter and exhaust. Its been better for the entry level guys but you can gradually see the scales tipping. I cannot see an answer better than buying a sealed motor from somebody like Box Stock Project as a track rule with the Predator quality control being so poor. Hopefully the Ghost deal addresses all of this but Im not real optimistic.
ABR #69
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But, the Clone has changed significantly since then. Like when they were running them with Flatties and Animals and put the restrictors in the Animals. I'd say they're on a much more level playing field now. I'd say just put all the OHV's in of the same CI. People are leaning towards methanol for Clones anyway, and I'm sure there are more things that will change before too much longer. So it'll be much the same as an Animal. Already costs just as much, which was the reasoning for getting away from the Animal, or so they all claimed. I mean, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge have run engines against each other for years. Why can't we do the same in Karting?